[Senate Hearing 117-630] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 117-630 FOOD SAFETY AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION ======================================================================= HEARING before a SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ SPECIAL HEARING JULY 20, 2022--WASHINGTON, DC __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: https://www.govinfo.gov _________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 51-605 PDF WASHINGTON : 2022 COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont, Chairman PATTY MURRAY, Washington RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama, Vice DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California Chairman RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois MITCH McCONNELL, Kentucky JACK REED, Rhode Island SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine JON TESTER, Montana LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire LINDSEY GRAHAM, South Carolina JEFF MERKLEY, Oregon ROY BLUNT, Missouri CHRISTOPHER A. COONS, Delaware JERRY MORAN, Kansas BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas CHRISTOPHER MURPHY, Connecticut SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West JOE MANCHIN, West Virginia Virginia CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico CINDY HYDE-SMITH, Mississippi MIKE BRAUN, Indiana BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee MARCO RUBIO, Florida Charles E. Kieffer, Staff Director Bill Duhnke, Minority Staff Director ------ Subcommittee on Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin, Chairman JEFF MERKLEY, Oregon JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota, Ranking DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California MITCH McCONNELL, Kentucky JON TESTER, Montana SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont, (ex ROY BLUNT, Missouri officio) JERRY MORAN, Kansas BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii CINDY HYDE-SMITH, Mississippi MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico MIKE BRAUN, Indiana Professional Staff Dianne Nellor Rachel Erlebacher Hannah Chauvin Angela Caalim Morgan Ulmer (Minority) Patrick Carroll (Minority) Elizabeth Dent (Minority) Administrative Support Ann Tait Hall C O N T E N T S ---------- PANEL I Page Statement of Dr. Robert Califf M.D., Commissioner................ 1 Accompanied By: Mr. Frank Yiannas, M.P.H., Deputy Commissioner, Food Policy and Response.................................... 1 Susan, T. Mayne, PH. D, Director, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.................................. 1 Michael C. Rogers, M.S., Assistant Commissioner, for Human and Animal Food Operations....................... 1 Opening Statement of Senator Tammy Baldwin....................... 1 Summary Statement of Dr. Robert Califf........................... 2 Prepared Statement of Dr. Robert M. Califf, M.D.............. 4 FSMA..................................................... 5 New Era of Smarter Food Safety........................... 5 Challenges............................................... 6 Conclusion............................................... 8 Statement of Senator John Hoeven................................. 12 ---------- PANEL II Statement of Ms. Sarah Gallo, Vice President, Product Policy Consumer Brands Association.................................... 30 Prepared Statement of Ms. Sarah Gallo........................ 32 Unifying FDA's Food Program Under a Deputy Commissioner for Foods.............................................. 32 Modernizing the Agency................................... 33 Applying Lessons Learned from the COVID-19 Crisis........ 33 Conclusion............................................... 34 Statement of Mr. Brian Ronholm, Director, Food Policy Consumer Reports........................................................ 34 Prepared Statement of Mr. Brian Ronholm...................... 36 FDA Governance and Performance........................... 36 Fragmented Structure and Poor Governance................. 36 FDA Resource Management and Food Program Funding Transparency........................................... 37 Recommendations.......................................... 38 Additional Committee Questions................................... 41 Questions Submitted to Dr. Robert Califf......................... 41 Questions Submitted by Senator Dianne Feinstein.................. 41 FOOD SAFETY AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION ---------- WEDNESDAY, JULY 20, 2022 U.S. Senate, Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met at 10:01 a.m. in Room SD-124, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Tammy Baldwin (chairwoman) presiding. Present: Senators Baldwin, Tester, Heinrich, Hoeven, Moran, Hyde-Smith, and Braun. PANEL I Food and Drug Administration STATEMENT OF DR. ROBERT CALIFF M.D., COMMISSIONER ACCOMPANIED BY: MR. FRANK YIANNAS, M.P.H., DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, FOOD POLICY AND RESPONSE SUSAN, T. MAYNE, PH. D, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR FOOD SAFETY AND APPLIED NUTRITION MICHAEL C. ROGERS, M.S., ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, FOR HUMAN AND ANIMAL FOOD OPERATIONS opening statement of senator tammy baldwin Senator Baldwin. Good morning, everybody. I want to welcome everyone to our hearing today. We have a distinguished panel of witnesses here to discuss the important food safety mission at the Food and Drug Administration. For our first panel I would like to welcome Dr. Robert Califf, FDA Commissioner. He is joined by Dr. Susan Mayne, and Mr. Frank Yiannas, and Mr. Michael Rogers. Thank you all for being here this morning. The FDA is charged with the critical mission of protecting America's food supply, yet recent reports have highlighted a lack of leadership, poor communication, and slow governance at the agency that have had a detrimental impact on the safety of the food that every American relies upon. This hearing will highlight not only FDA's decisionmaking with regards to food safety, but also the impact those decisions have on industry and the overall food supply. The question we need to ask today is: Is food safety a priority of the FDA? America has the safest food in all the world, but serious concerns remain about the priority that FDA gives to food safety and the missteps that have led to outbreaks, or critical shortages, and individuals getting sick. An easy explanation is that FDA does not have the resources or personnel to oversee such a massive industry. There may be some truth to that, but there is more to the story. Since the passage of the Food Safety and Modernization Act, or FSMA, this committee has provided the FDA with hundreds of millions of dollars in increases for food safety, yet inspections continue to decline and outbreak breaks remain. Additional resources are not the only answer, and that is why this hearing is so important. The FDA needs to do better. Lack of communication, outdated ways of thinking, and overall lack of leadership have negatively impacted the agency, and we have seen that with the recent infant formula crisis. Since 2002, the FDA has had seven different commissioners. Over the last 20 years FDA has gone without a Senate-confirmed commissioner for almost 6 years of that time. That is not acceptable, and there is no way an agency as large as the FDA can be leaderless and not have serious issues. I commend the career employees at the FDA. They have forged ahead even when acting commissioners were in charge. The role of this committee is to provide the agencies we oversee with support and resources that they need. FDA has had so many different and complex responsibilities. I want to assure you, Dr. Califf, that as chair of this subcommittee I am committed to providing FDA with what it needs to get the job done. With that, I will reserve the time for the Ranking Member to give his opening statement when he arrives. Senator Moran, would you like to make an opening statement? Senator Moran. I sure thank you for asking. But no, it is not necessary. Senator Baldwin. Okay. Senator Moran. I will just reserve for questions. Senator Baldwin. Very good. Let us start, and let us start with Dr. Califf. summary statement of dr. robert califf Dr. Califf. Thank you, Chair Baldwin, and I want to assure you that the safety of our nation's food supply is one of my absolute top priorities. Although foodborne outbreaks continue to occur, all experts with whom I have consulted agree that America's food supply has never been safer than it is today. But as the industry, the environment, and the international landscape change we must prepare for future challenges. As envisioned in the New Era of Smarter Food Safety, a report put together before my arrival, the combination of tech-enabled traceability, smarter tools for prevention and response, new business models, and retail modernization, and a collaborative food safety culture where industry is implementing the preventive framework envisioned by FSMA, paint an exciting picture for the future. The recent acceleration of digital technologies enabling traceability and predictive capabilities, innovation and genomics facilitating outbreak response, and advances in agricultural biotechnology that allow food production to resist the effects of climate change, and feed the growing global population to bring that vision even closer within reach. Further, food is the foundation of health, smarter food safety, better nutrition and ongoing efforts to reduce environmental contaminants and toxins in our food supply are critical for improved health of the whole U.S. population. I anticipate a future in which people have more reliably safe food, more access to variety and certainty about availability, and the agricultural ecosystem thrives, enabling it to feed the U.S. and the rest of the world. To realize this future we must reexamine and reinvent the ways we approach our food safety and nutrition work. During my confirmation I was contacted by multiple experts and concerned groups about the perception that the FDA's Foods Program is not adequately organized or supported. In my first 5 months back in the job, I have met with stakeholders and experts to discuss FDA's Foods Program and food policy priorities for the next decade. My assessment is that the Foods Program is staffed by highly dedicated people, I can't stress enough how hard they work and the depth of their knowledge, but they are working in a sub-optimal environment that needs to be reformed. Accordingly, we have initiated a full review of the Foods Program, including its structure, function, leadership, authorities, and funding. I want to assure you that I intend to communicate about and implement any organizational and strategic changes that will further improve the performance of the Agency's Foods Program. Several key issues must be addressed and will not wait for the results of the full assessment to get started. Hiring and retaining Foods Program staff has long been a concern. I am grateful that the User Fee Reauthorization Bills in both chambers recognize the great need to get the right staff on board quickly. Failures of the supply chain throughout the pandemic, and particularly the recent infant formula crisis have shown the importance of new authorities FDA seeks to anticipate and respond to supply shortages. As the world moves to digitize this information, the Foods Program must upgrade its technology and modernize its work processes to enable its workforce to be maximally productive using machine learning and virtual methods to keep up with the vast and rapidly expanding foods ecosystem. Food contamination and recall events will always capture the headlines, but we must balance a food safety plan with work on nutritional science and labeling that enables consumers to make informed dietary choices, and facilitates industry reformulation. When FDA added trans-fat to the nutrition facts label, intake decreased by 80 percent. The results of FDA's nutrition work go largely unseen, only becoming evident through generations of health data. Yet turning the tide on diet- related chronic disease is a critical priority for me and for this administration because of the potential to impact the health of every American, dramatically reduce health care costs, and close our life expectancy gap. Currently we live 5 years shorter in the United States than the average of other high-income countries. As we work together to implement needed changes, and identify critical gaps in authorities or resources, I will continue to engage with Congress as we all share the same goal of having a safer food supply. In conclusion our food has never been safer, yet challenges remain and we must do better. One food outbreak is one too many. I appreciate your attention to this and look forward to continuing to work with you to ensure the Foods Program at FDA has the right structure, people, budget, and authorities to keep our food supply safe. [The statement follows:] Prepared Statement of Dr. Robert M. Califf, M.D. Before the subcommittee on Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Committee on Appropriations, U.S. Senate Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Hoeven, and Members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss FDA's Foods Program. The ongoing situation with infant formula has brought needed attention to the critical nature of our food safety and nutrition work. I look forward to discussing the long-term efforts the Agency is making within the program to try to keep pace with the massive transformations that have occurred over the last two decades in the industries that this program regulates, and the even more dramatic changes we foresee happening across the food industry in the years ahead. FDA's Foods Program regulates approximately 80 percent of foods consumed by Americans, including those bought in grocery stores, restaurants, and cafeterias, as well food consumed in other venues, such as on airlines. While much of our discussion today will focus on food safety work, which includes mitigating the risk of potential exposure to a wide variety of hazards such as microbial, certain chemicals, toxic elements, and allergens, the program also drives public health policy and education work to improve the nutrition of all Americans and reduce the burden of diet-related chronic disease. With the exception of products regulated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, such as meat, poultry, and pork, FDA's Foods Program regulates nearly all of the Nation's food supply, including all of the ingredients used in foods and all of the substances that come in contact with those foods throughout the production cycle, from the farmers' fields through harvest, processing, manufacture, distribution, packaging, and delivery to the consumer. Additionally, the program regulates animal foods for all species of animals including animals kept in zoos and exhibits, the pets that are part of most American families, and the animals that make or will become human food and other products like leather and fiber. Further, the Foods Program regulates cosmetics, dietary supplements, and, as we are all acutely aware, infant formula and medical foods industries. Regulating this volume and diversity of products and facilities, as well as addressing the diversity of hazards that can enter the food supply, is an immense undertaking with serious consequences for American consumers when the regulated entities fail to control the hazards that could impact the safety of their products. In a perfect world, consumers would not need to know how the safety of these industries is secured--they would correctly assume that the products they purchase will not harm them or their loved ones. Millions of products are purchased and safely consumed every day, evidence of the robustness of our food safety system, which includes an industry shift to a prevention- oriented framework and the dedication and diligence of the public servants tirelessly working in FDA's Foods Program from our entry level employees on up through the leaders who accompany me today. While food contamination and recall events capture the headlines, a far greater threat to public health is the morbidity resulting from American dietary and nutritional trends. Our Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN) takes a leading role in Federal efforts to drive reformulation of foods to cut back on sodium and trans-fat, promote transparency in labeling, and allow consumers to make informed dietary choices. The results of this work go largely unseen, only becoming evident through health data over generations, yet this is one of the most critical and resource intensive public health efforts across government because of the potential to impact every American. The Foods Program is not without challenges. Some, like the rapid pace of change and the breadth of the work, are inherent in our mission. Others, like hiring and retention, organizational structure, and the lack of authority to access some essential information, can be more readily tackled. I appreciate your partnership in identifying and implementing lasting solutions. fsma Today's global food system depends on an increasingly complex and fluid supply chain, which cannot be adequately regulated by a surveillance and response framework alone. To address this, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA) of 2011 transformed FDA's food safety program and, in turn, the Nation's food safety system. FSMA instituted a preventive model for protecting food safety to replace the responsive model that previously prevailed. With the support of Congress, FDA has made significant progress in implementing the landmark law and modernizing our food safety capabilities by promulgating and largely implementing eight ``foundational rules,'' including preventive controls for human and animal food, produce safety, foreign supplier verification for importers, intentional adulteration, and sanitary transportation. To facilitate the food industry's shift to a prevention-oriented safety and compliance paradigm, FDA has also published more than 50 draft and final guidances. As the food industry continues to change, implementing FSMA will be an ongoing process. As such, we have staff continuing the work needed to further implement FSMA through additional rulemakings (such as for food traceability recordkeeping requirements), guidance development, training, inspections, and other activities. As with any complex, scientific undertaking, FSMA rulemakings require research, analysis of data, and, in certain cases, engagement with the scientific community to inform decision-making and adjustments when new science emerges. Stakeholder input also is essential to ensure that requirements we promulgate are feasible. For example, in late 2021, FDA proposed new requirements for pre- harvest agricultural water for covered produce other than sprouts. The new proposal takes a comprehensive, systems- based approach to identifying and addressing hazards in pre-harvest agricultural water that we believe, when implemented, will be a game-changer for public health protection. FDA issued this proposal after stakeholder concerns were raised about the complexity and practical implementation of the pre-harvest agricultural water testing requirements in the 2015 Produce Safety Rule. These concerns led the Agency to pursue a rigorous and thorough process for engaging with stakeholders. FDA experts participated in hundreds of farm visits, listening sessions and meetings with industry, consumer groups, academia, and regulatory partners to better understand the diversity of uses of agricultural water. The Agency believes this was time well spent to ensure that the proposed approach is feasible while also being protective of public health, deeply rooted in the most current science, and adaptable to future advancements in agricultural water quality science. Among the highest FSMA-related priorities is finalizing a rule on food traceability, including the food traceability list, which outlines foods for which additional recordkeeping requirements will apply, to help FDA rapidly and effectively identify recipients of foods to prevent or mitigate foodborne illness outbreaks. Additionally, FDA is continuing to implement the Laboratory Accreditation for Analysis of Foods Rule. The portal for Accreditation Bodies to apply to participate in the program opened in February 2022, and 6 entities have been approved to date. Implementation of the Preventive Controls for Animal Food rule is also continuing. This rule has faced challenges because in some cases the animal food industry and our State, local, and Tribal regulatory partners lack the infrastructure and expertise needed to meet and monitor compliance with FSMA requirements, and the resources dedicated to this sector lag behind those for human food. new era of smarter food safety FDA is committed to building on the work of FSMA while taking a modernized approach to food safety that leverages technology and other tools to create a safer and more digital, traceable food system. This approach, which we call the New Era of Smarter Food Safety, aims to bend the curve of foodborne illness in this country by reducing the number of illnesses attributed to FDA-regulated foods. We are in the midst of a food revolution-including how foods are produced, delivered, and handled. Many of the changes which were already underway have been accelerated by the pandemic as we acclimate to a new normal in all aspects of life. Through the New Era initiative, we are identifying technologies, data streams, and approaches that will greatly reduce the time it takes to trace the origin of a contaminated human or animal food. In July 2020, we published the New Era for Smarter Food Safety blueprint, which identified four Core Elements that we see as critical to this work. These include: --Tech-Enabled Traceability: technologies, data streams, and approaches that will greatly reduce the time it takes to trace the origin of a human or animal food of public health concern. --Smarter Tools and Approaches for Prevention and Outbreak Response: adapting and incorporating new data, information, and approaches to respond to outbreaks and prevent them from happening again. --New Business Models and Retail Modernization: advancing the safety of food produced and sold by both new and traditional business models for retail food safety. --Food Safety Culture: strengthening FDA's approach to recognizing the critical importance of food safety culture and behavioral change in the Agency's work processes, promoting food safety culture throughout the food system, and developing smarter food safety consumer education. Together, these Core Elements will enable the change necessary for FDA and the entire food industry to adapt to the future. We have had a number of recent accomplishments in this area, including publishing a Foodborne Outbreak Response Improvement Plan, working toward finalization of the proposed Food Traceability Rule, completing the second phase of an artificial intelligence/machine learning pilot to enhance the Agency's ability to quickly and efficiently identify imported seafood products that may pose a threat to public health, signing five domestic mutual reliance agreements with California, Florida, Utah, Wisconsin, and Minnesota which enhance FDA's use of State agencies to strengthen oversight of the food supply, and holding a three-day e-commerce summit to help the Agency improve its understanding of how human and animal foods are sold through business- to-consumer e-commerce models across the U.S. and globally. I thank the Committee for its commitment to food safety by providing us funds in recent years to support our New Era of Smarter Food Safety initiative. In fiscal Year2023, we plan to take our efforts modernizing America's food safety regulatory framework to another level and are requesting a total of $43 million across the Foods Program. In a rapidly changing world, this funding will allow the Agency to continue to leverage new and emerging technologies, enhance implementation of traceability, and adapt oversight to new production and business models. This is work that will have an immediate impact on food safety in this country while also preparing the Agency to be more adaptable to changes across the food system in the future. challenges As I have explained, the food system has been growing ever more complex and is undergoing rapid change unlike anything seen in a century. This growth has created new challenges in both keeping up with and attempting to get ahead of industry innovation. Unfortunately, we have found that there are barriers which make it difficult to keep pace. For example, on-site food facility inspections remain an important oversight tool for FDA. However, given the very large number of foreign and domestic food facilities to be inspected, and the level of existing FDA resources for this work, fully meeting the FSMA requirement to inspect all domestic facilities at least once every 5 years-every 3 years for high-risk facilities-has sometimes been unattainable since the requirement went into effect in 2011. As a result, we are exploring the use of other tools to enhance our oversight. This includes use of new data streams, technologies, and tools to better prioritize oversight activities and respond nimbly to newly identified or changing risks. While in-person inspections will remain the foundation of our oversight of these facilities, authorities around remote regulatory assessments as requested by the Administration would also greatly assist in our ability to more efficiently evaluate food facilities. Hiring and retaining Foods Program staff has long been a challenge. Many State and local health and agriculture departments across the Nation express concern about the food safety system's decades-long shortage of qualified personnel. In FDA's Office of Regulatory Affairs, direct-hire authority proved very helpful in making strides towards closing the hiring gap in its investigative and compliance staff, but this authority expired in October 2021 and ORA, along with other offices within the Agency including CFSAN, the Office of Food Policy and Response, and the foods-related portions of the Center for Veterinary Medicine continue to have great difficulty recruiting and hiring critical experts with the agility and speed needed to rival the private sector without similar authorities granted to the medical products centers under the 21st Century Cures Act. Our Foods Program's need for mission-critical skill sets and keeping up with the pace of industry innovation is no less critical than the Medical Products Program, which has hiring authorities under the 21st Century Cures Act. We believe the hiring flexibilities provided in the user fee reauthorization bill will give FDA agile and competitive hiring tools in the foods program to get the right staff we need and to get them quickly. Failures of the supply chain throughout the pandemic, and particularly the recent crisis, have shown the importance of new additional authorities to anticipate and respond to supply shortages, particularly for infant formula and medical foods. No law requires manufacturers of these products to notify FDA when they become aware of a circumstance that could lead to a shortage of these products. Without this information, the Agency may have little or no insight as to when a major shortage may occur, preventing us from taking potential mitigation efforts until a crisis becomes apparent. This is why early in the pandemic (March 2020) we began work on a legislative proposal seeking authority to require firms producing infant formula and medical foods to notify FDA of anticipated significant interruptions in the supply. The proposal has appeared in the fiscal Year 22 and fiscal Year 23 budgets and would ensure that FDA routinely receives timely and accurate information about likely or confirmed shortages and can take steps to promote the continued availability of these essential foods. The proposal also provides for infant formula and medical food manufacturers to develop and make available to FDA supply redundancy/ risk management plans. In addition, we are seeking authority to require firms to provide shortage notification for other FDA-designated categories of food during a declared public health emergency. In future situations where supply chain disruptions are likely, this would help address some of the shortage issues like those we witnessed early in the pandemic and are currently witnessing in the wake of the Abbott Nutrition recall. Although we greatly appreciate the Committee's work to fund our foods safety work, it is important to understand that our resources in this area have not kept up with inflation and the growing and ever- changing foods industry. Prior to passage of the first Prescription Drug User Fee Act in 1992, our Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER) and CFSAN were comparably sized. Now, CDER is approximately five times the size of CFSAN, which receives 97 percent of its funding through budget authority. This amounts to only about six percent of the Agency's total budget and has prevented the center from performing the food safety and nutrition work that Americans expect. This is a long- term challenge and our budget request this year is intended to begin the process of closing the capability gap. As products, manufacturing processes, and supply chains have become increasingly complex, the potential for hazards to impact the safety of these products has multiplied. FDA is continually examining the industry and our existing policies and practices to anticipate and adapt to the changing landscape and still strike the right balance between regulatory oversight and affordable, available products. FDA has been seeking to make gains in balancing the ongoing efforts of providing safe food with a renewed emphasis on encouraging the increased availability in the marketplace of healthy food options. To meet this goal, FDA needs better data, tools, and greater capacity to generate and analyze real-time information on the food supply's evolving composition. Leveraging foundational data and building these tools and capacity would enable FDA to better understand and address population exposure to various food components-both those that are helping consumers reduce their risk to diet-related chronic disease and also those that may be leading to exposures that have chronic health risks. In that regard, reducing people's exposure to chemicals known to be harmful in foods to the greatest extent possible is essential to protecting long-term human health and ensuring consumer confidence in the safety of the foods they eat. We recognize that our pre-market programs are challenged to keep pace with increasing innovation by industry and advances in science, and our post-market oversight and our capacity to mitigate risk due to chemical hazards across our products have been especially under- resourced and falling behind in their ability to keep pace with increasing numbers of signals of possible concerns about chemical hazards in foods. We are working to modernize and streamline our regulatory frameworks, including by acquiring new tools that leverage new and evolving toxicity data sources to support pre-market safety evaluations and to prioritize our post- market efforts in a scientific and risk-based way. Finally, the Office of the Commissioner is actively evaluating changes to ensure the foods program is best organized, resourced, and has the right authorities and modern data systems to be effective for the next decade of challenges in food policy, systems, and regulation. An optimal foods program organization must take into account that FDA's product areas and centers are not silos, but a matrix of interdependent information and operations encompassing product and regulatory organizations and enterprise-wide support organizations. I look forward to continuing the conversation beyond today as my evaluation wraps up. conclusion We are in an unprecedented time; our food has never been safer, yet the challenges remain significant, and we strive to do better. We must remain vigilant and adaptable. We look forward to working with you to continue to ensure Americans' access to safe, nutritious food. Senator Baldwin. Next, I will call on Mr. Frank Yiannas. Next, I will turn to member questions. I understand that you have provided the opening statement on behalf of all of the witnesses, so. Dr. Califf. I am trying to speak for the group here. Senator Baldwin. Excellent. So Dr. Califf, if we had a discussion on food safety when you were here to testify on the fiscal year 2023 Budget Request, and I wanted to follow up with you. As the Commissioner of FDA what do you see as the biggest challenges facing the agency with regard to your food safety mission? And every agency, as I mentioned, can use additional resources that can't be the only solution to the problem. So what changes do you believe need to occur to make food safety a higher priority? Dr. Califf. Let me start by just thanking you for bringing up the fact that we have an agency that has had multiple commissioners with very short tenures. I am getting ready to turn 71, I don't plan to be here forever, but I hope I am here long enough to get a situation in place that is sustained regardless of who is the commissioner. And that is the number one goal. So when you ask what is most important, you know, I look at the overall situation and just see a rapidly expanding group of industries that are producing food. I don't need to tell anyone today about climate change with the heat that we are seeing, and the impact that is going to have, not to mention the war in Ukraine having enormous impact on nutrition in the world. So we have this increasingly complex, critical set of industries that we need to regulate. And I think we have to look at the whole picture, it is a structure, it is a function, it is a leadership. You have mentioned that resources are not the only issue, I completely agree with that, but I do believe that when we finish our complete top to bottom evaluation, you know, we will be coming to you with specific requests for places where additional resources can make a difference. And I know it has already been discussed in some of the budget plans, and that is much appreciated. So you know, I think it is very hard to pick out one or two things. It is a multi-dimensional industry where so much good can be done and if we get good nutrition to people in plentiful supply, at a time when it is going to be very stressed in the future. Senator Baldwin. The previous administration undertook some structural changes with the goal of raising the profile of food safety. Dr. Califf, do you believe that these changes were effective, or worked? Dr. Califf. Well, first of all, let me say I don't question the motives of the previous administration in this regard. I think the right things were said, and efforts were made. But, you know, I heard a resounding chorus from the outside world and you know, I must say from inside the Foods Program, that it hasn't gotten the priority that it deserved. I think over the last couple of years I would just point out that the pandemic has had an enormous effect on the whole FDA, and what has gone largely unnoticed is the amazing work that the Foods Program has done, just to--you remember the early days of the pandemic when you couldn't find anything on the grocery shelves and, you know, we definitely have a problem with infant formula. But by and large, these people have put in a huge amount of work to be adaptable with regard to regulations and rules to ensure that people had food to eat at a time when there was a question as to whether that would occur. So the short answer is, it is not, I think there is consensus in the food world that whatever was done in the past has not been successful in getting the Foods Program to the priority that it deserves. Senator Baldwin. I am sure you are all familiar with a political article that was published in April, it quoted several people who agreed that the agency is simply not working in order to advance food safety. Some of the quotes included: broken, byzantine, ridiculous, a joke. I would ask both Dr. Mayne and Dr. Califf; how you responded to such very strong criticism? And how you responded to the article itself? Dr. Califf. If I may, could I go first? And then I would like to definitely get Dr. Mayne on the floor. I just want to vigorously rebut the way those comments were made. Senator Baldwin. Mm-hmm. Dr. Califf. We have the safest food in the world, and every expert I have talked with, the CDC monitors this carefully, our food is as safe as it has ever been, so to say it is not working is, in my view, just incorrect. That doesn't mean it can't be a lot better and that there aren't major problems. So, you know, that is why we are doing this top-down review, and plan to make significant changes. But some of the people quoted in that have been in leadership within the FDA. I could say they had a chance to fix it. It is not so easy to fix. So we all need to work together on this collaboratively, but also there is accountability, so we are going to need to make changes. Senator Baldwin. Yes. Dr. Califf. Dr. Mayne. Dr. Mayne. And thank you for the question, Senator Baldwin. And what I will say is food safety is not a joke at CFSAN, it is our mission within CFSAN, and as Center Director I can tell you, it is one of my absolute top priorities. That being said, we do take all criticisms seriously, and are always looking forward to ways that we can continually modernize and improve our work within the Center. So that is a priority for us. I will say, reflecting back on the last 10 years, we have accomplished a tremendous amount in the Foods Program. For example, with food safety, the establishment of whole genome sequencing, which is game changing globally in food safety. That was work that came out of CFSAN. Also our work with regard to FSMA implementation, the foundational rules that have come out of 50 guidances to help move industry to the prevention-oriented framework that you all envisioned with FSMA, that is really important and notable progress forward. Also, with regard to nutrition, Dr. Califf highlighted our work on trans-fat, but there is much more. Empowering consumers with information, really important things, like menu labeling, so consumers have information to make the decisions they need with regard to their personal health. But we know more can be done. Resources are certainly something that was identified in that particular article. I will point out that we are 97 percent funded by budget authority, and not by user fees. So as more work comes in we absorb that work because we don't have a user fee base to increase our staff along the way as the work increases. So that is relevant and we look forward to working with you on that. Dr. Califf also mentioned authorities. There are areas that we are seeking new authorities that would make our work more efficient. And so this is the type of work we look forward to working with you on, on resources, and authorities, as well as the outcome of the review that Dr. Califf mentioned, to make it the strongest possible Foods Program. Senator Baldwin. Thank you. I have exceeded my time already. I am going to reserve time for a second round. But next, I would call on Senator Moran. Senator Moran. Chairwoman, thank you very much. Thank you all for joining us this morning. You mentioned efficiencies at work just in your concluding sentences. It is my understanding that many of the staff at FDA continue to work from home, and I would be--I think it is a reasonable expectation to have our employees back to work in the office, in the laboratories, and across the agency. Is my understanding about the volume of employees that are still absent from the workplace accurate? And what is the plan to return them to the workplace soon? Dr. Califf. Thanks for the question, Senator. There we go. Thanks for the question, and I think what you said is partially accurate, but I want to be very explicit here about what I think the facts are. People that have worked in our laboratories have always gone to work throughout the pandemic. You know, if your job required that you be at work that has happened. Our ORA inspectors, as Mr. Rogers will talk about, you know, there were cutbacks because of the peril of travel, and also difficulty often even getting into a facility when there were outbreaks. But our inspectors have put themselves at risk routinely going there. The place where people have had the option of virtual or hybrid work, has been those who are dealing with data or administrative functions that really don't require that you are there in person to be most efficient. And I think our productivity is exemplified by the fact that we carried on all the usual activities, plus the pandemic activities. And I think if you talked to most of the industries that we regulate, they are pretty happy with the performance of the FDA. Now, we are in a pilot program now to look at the hybrid environment. In my previous job at Google I spent a lot of time on this where we had tremendous resources to do the analysis, and I think all of this is best handled by looking at the particular job, the particular function. And the question is: What is going to lead to the most productive employee who is most satisfied with the work. Senator Moran. So what percentage of the workforce no longer comes to the workplace? Dr. Califf. No longer comes? I would say maybe about half-- well, I wouldn't say ``no longer comes'', that is a difficult thing to answer in many respects. Senator Moran. No longer comes on a regular weekly or let me--a regular, daily basis. Dr. Califf. I would say the majority are not in the physical location on a regular, daily basis, but remember we have a very large part of the workforce that is out in the field traveling. Senator Moran. Well, I don't want to at all disparage, in fact, I want to compliment those who worked through the pandemic, and the risks they took to make certain that their jobs, their responsibilities were fulfilled. I don't believe that you can have and we will see what your study indicates, but I think it is very difficult to have a team effort in the absence of half of your employees on an ongoing basis. I understand the need to do this for the crisis of COVID, but I am discouraged by your suggestion that this will be an ongoing method by which the FDA employees work. And it doesn't sound like at the moment there is a timeline or a plan to return them to the office, we are awaiting this analysis? Dr. Califf. Well, I would say more and more people are returning to work, and as we work out the hybrids into the work environment they have been in, and as we work on the hybrid data, we are going to make decisions as we go as to what is most efficient and---- Senator Moran. Any thought about having people come back to work, and then work on the hybrid plan, go back to where you were before? Dr. Califf. I mean, we will certainly discuss that, but right now it doesn't seem like the most efficient approach especially right now when we are in the midst of the BA.5 surge. Senator Moran. You stated in previous testimony, I will change a bit of the topic to Congress, and testimony to Congress that the FDA intends to pay special attention to formula distribution in rural areas. Would you detail for me FDA's plans to prioritize formula distribution to rural communities? Dr. Califf. Well, first of all let me just say that the formula distribution is a function not just of FDA, but of the entire government because it involves, as you know, the Department of Agriculture, HHS, and the Executive Branch. But the basic plan, you know, the first thing was to get production up in the U.S. then to use the enforcement discretion, I know we will probably talk about this later with Dr. Mayne and Mr. Yiannas, to bring in the international sources. The distribution initially was through the larger chains, and now there is an intense focus on getting to the smaller stores as quickly as possible. And that is a matter of hooking up particularly the foreign firms that have not distributed in the U.S., before to these smaller areas. That is one of the two areas of our major focus at this point. Senator Moran. Thank you. My time, too, has expired. Senator Baldwin. I would like to welcome Ranking Member Hoeven. And would you be prepared to give an opening statement at this juncture? Senator Hoeven. I certainly can, Madam Chair. Thank you. Senator Baldwin. All right. STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN HOEVEN Senator Hoeven. Welcome to our guests. I apologize for being tardy. But thank you very much for being here. Madam Chair, thanks for convening the hearing. And given the ongoing infant formula shortages, appreciate the opportunity to have a dialogue with Commissioner Califf, and the rest of the panelists this morning on that issue, as well as the FDA's overall approach to food safety. Now, you have got an extraordinary mandate. You are responsible for making sure that our nation's food and drugs are safe and effective. As you may recall during our earlier budget hearing, and the expressed concern the FDA has had seven commissioners this past decade. During that same period we have increased funding for FDA by 35 percent for the food programs, and the bulk of that is targeted to food safety and inspection improvements. Unlike other public safety agencies, such as Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, this committee has provided FDA with a lot of budget flexibility as well, to ensure that the highest priority needs get addressed. Additionally, it has been more than a decade since Congress enacted the Food Safety Modernization Act, FSMA, to update regulations regarding food production, and provide FDA with additional authorities to oversee and enforce the safety of our food supply. Yet, the CDC estimates that more than 128,000 people in the United States are hospitalized, and 3,000 people die from food- borne illnesses each year. And it is my understanding that figure is the same as pre-FSMA implementation rates. So we need to talk about that, you need to talk about what you are doing, and how we can continue to work to improve it. Dr. Califf, you stated that one of your responses to the ongoing infant formula shortage is to undertake a top-to-bottom review of the food safety program, which you and I have talked about, and institute changes necessary to ensure a crisis like that doesn't happen in the future. As a parent and a grandparent, I can't overstate my concern about what happened in that regard and we have to make sure that, you know, we don't have something like that happen again. Going forward, I think that FDA should treat essential foods, such as infant formula in the same manner the agency treats essential medicines. So with that, again, I apologize that I was late this morning. But I want to thank you, Madam Chair, for calling this hearing. And I will turn it back to our witnesses. Senator Baldwin. Okay. Sure. I am going to now recognize Senator Heinrich for his questions. Senator Heinrich. Thank you, Chair Baldwin. Commissioner Califf, outside of acutely contaminated drinking water sources, people who are most exposed to PFAS chemicals through the food that they eat, food can become contaminated when it is grown, or what we have seen in New Mexico where animals drink PFAS-laden water, as well as through food packaging, and in several parts of the country PFAS contamination has manifested in agriculture, posing a food safety risk. What is the FDA doing to regulate PFAS chemicals in our agricultural products? And does your agency have the resources it needs to successfully pursue that work? Dr. Califf. Thank you, I am so used to the microphones that come on automatically. Thank you for raising this issue. And to me it exemplifies a whole host of similar issues that we have with contaminants that are there to some level. The epidemiology of this is very complicated, and it takes a lot of science to figure out where to draw the line, and where to intervene in these industries that are so critical to all of our welfare. So I will ask Dr. Mayne to give some of the details of what we are doing on this. Dr. Mayne. Thank you, Senator. So PFAS is a very important priority for us, and not just at the FDA, but across the interagency, and we are working in partnership with all the different key interagency partners, including EPA. In terms of our role, and we have multiple roles with regard to PFAS, but the first one is just understanding what the dietary exposure is. We need to understand, what is the hazard, and what is the exposure. So we have been conducting analyses of the U.S. food supply through what is called our Total Diet Study. In that testing, we have tested over 500 different samples, we found 10 that had detectable levels of PFAS in the general food supply, so very reassuring information with regard to the general food supply. However, of those ten samples, eight of them that were detectable were seafood samples, and that has led us to be doing additional analyses on PFAS and potential contamination in seafood, we released some data very recently on that. So that is a key part of our work. The second part of it is when there are instances of local environmental contamination, as has occurred in your state, we work very closely with our state partners. And so we provide technical assistance, we have done analyses of samples for state partners because our analytical labs are capable of doing that. We have done that for New Mexico, and then we provide advice on what to do. This is a challenging problem, we are working with USDA, especially in the case of PFAS exposures, and EPA, so it an important priority. The last piece is the food contact use. There are certain authorized food contact uses of PFAS. If we have a concern about safety we take the step---- Senator Heinrich. Are you largely talking about packaging in this case? Dr. Mayne. Yes. Senator Heinrich. Yeah. Dr. Mayne. Yes. I am talking about food packaging. Thank you. And so there are certain authorized uses for food contact. If we have a concern about safety we would withdraw those authorizations. And that has happened previously. We have had a market withdrawal recently for some short-chain PFAS that we had some lack of confidence in the safety of those compounds. So those are the roles we are taking in PFAS. With regard to your question about resources, we have absorbed this work in our base budget, but we have requested new resources in the fiscal year 2023 budget, and we would be very grateful for support to increase our work in PFAS. Senator Heinrich. You mentioned the prevalence of seafood within the samples that did test positive. Do you understand the mechanism or the vector there? Dr. Mayne. Yeah, we are just early in the days of getting information about seafood contamination with PFAS. What we did was a targeted sampling assignment of 81 different seafood samples. We looked at the most commonly consumed seafood in the U.S., things like tilapia, and shrimp, and salmon, clams, for example. Our results were released, we would be happy to share them with you. What we did see were some very concerning levels in one particular commodity, and that was canned clams coming in from China. So that is new data that we have. Your question about mechanism of action, we suspect this is due to environmental contamination where those clams are coming from. Senator Heinrich. Gotcha. Dr. Mayne. But we are working with the companies to try to understand that better and prevent those types of exposures. Senator Heinrich. Dr. Califf, before my time is expired. Obviously it is super hyper-critical that families can trust infant formula to be safe, and I know you have put a lot of effort into bringing offshore formula products up to our standards, but here in the U.S., I have heard complaints of long wait times for review, for responses for small domestic manufacturers. So what is the FDA doing to make sure its scarce resources prioritize those domestic American manufacturers and producers? Dr. Califf. I mean, as you know, we are working 24 by 7 on this to make sure that we have adequate supply, and there is priority given to large quantity suppliers while we are in shortage. But we are not going to slight U.S. producers. I might ask Dr. Mayne to also comment since she is running the diligent work of review. Dr. Mayne. With regard to the immediate action to try to get more formula on shelves, one of our criteria for moving forward with enforcement discretion was available product, and quantity of available product, because our goal as directed by the Administration is get formula on shelves as quickly as possible. At the same time, one of the things what we really want to do is make sure that we have a diverse infant formula manufacturing base going forward in time. There is a really important role here for U.S. manufacturers to play. So we want to encourage U.S. domestic manufacturers, we have some under review right now for enforcement discretion, but at the same time we are also looking beyond the current shortage, and we would like to support them in terms of providing more diversity to infant formula manufacturing in this country for a more resilient supply. Dr. Califf. Madam Chair, can I make one more quick comment on this? Senator Baldwin. Please, Dr. Califf, go ahead. Dr. Califf. It is just, I heard your admonition about it is not all about money and resources, but I mean this is an area where we know we have nine people working on this. You graciously added funding for four additional people last year. Given the need, it is an area where we just need to have enough people to do the work. You know, we have moved a lot of people over from other things to help make this happen now, but we can't sustain that without specific funding. Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Senator Hoeven. Senator Hoeven. Thanks, Madam Chair. I guess my first question would be in regard to the infant formula situation. Now, Chairman Baldwin and I did send, Dr. Califf, a letter. We got that I think the day before yesterday, so kind of short for our staff. And they work hard, and got a lot of things they have to get ready for these hearings. So if you could get responses sooner it would certainly be considerate of them in their timeline, because they try to get stuff ready. Dr. Califf. I apologize for that. I wish it had gotten to you sooner. I did read the entire thing. It is a number of pages, single spaced. Senator Hoeven. Pretty long, yeah. Dr. Califf. And a lot of work went into it. But I know you can--you know, I have the same concern myself. If people do a perfect job and it gets to me before I have a chance to read it, when I have to do something, it is not very helpful. Senator Hoeven. Yeah. Dr. Califf. We will double down on it. Senator Hoeven. Yeah, that speech you get as you are walking on stage to give it, a little hard to review, you know. So I know you get it, and I know you care about all the hardworking folks around here, they are trying to do good jobs, that that timeline would be helpful. But obviously that has been a real concern. I mean, you know, we can all imagine moms and dads, most of us having been moms and dads, in my case grandparents, you as well I think, you know, sweating out trying to get that infant formula. And, you know, the kind of the whole sequence of events, from inspectors not inspecting that plant, then getting out and inspecting the plant, and then the amount of time between inspection of the plant, determination of the problem, and then leadership at FDA being made aware of it. Those are real concerns. I know in going through with our committee staff they talked about, when the saving bag--when they had the issues in Puerto Rico with some facilities down there, and there was an instantaneous effort to get after some of those medical equipment, and needs, and that kind of thing. I get that that is on the drug side but, you know, something like baby formula, you are in that mode of, you know, having to have it, and in some ways almost like you would on the drug side. So how do we make certain, on the food side, that we have covered this that we don't have it happen again? And then there are still shortages in the stores. Where are we there? How soon are we going to have it squared away so that, you know, we don't have the empty shelf problem? Dr. Califf. Let us see. There was a lot included in your question. Senator Hoeven. Yeah. Well, I warned you last night on the phone that I was good with questions, so it is not that you weren't thinking about it anyway. Dr. Califf. Yeah, this is something we take so seriously for all the reasons that you gave, and I feel like I have been living with the folks you see here at the table, pretty much, since day one, since the recall occurred on the day I was confirmed. And you know, I stepped right into it. They have been working night and day. First of all, you raised the question of: What are we doing to correct errors that may have been made? It is well--known that Dr. Steve Solomon, who runs our Center for Veterinary Medicine, has a long history of knowledge of inspections, and other parts of FDA that is doing an after-action review. That is moving along. The interviews have been completed so I am expecting a report soon on that. We are also doing the top-to-bottom review that we announced yesterday, and Dr. Solomon's review will be available as part of that. And I will go through item by item, all the timeline, and all the things that happen, and corrective action for many of these things, like the escalation issue that you raise we already have instituted policies. As a health care person, this is a very common issue in health care provision nurses for example, if they see something wrong, escalating the issue. So I think we have already fixed that problem for the future. In terms of where we are, things are getting better. I think that is pretty well known. The numbers are looking better. It is not going to be a sudden fix, but we have each of the manufacturers, both the incumbent manufacturers, and also those that have now entered the market with enforcement discretion. We have their production estimates, and I would say it is a very diversified, robust pipeline coming in. But there was a deficit that is going to take a while to fix. And there is one other issue which I think is important for people to understand which is that, and when there is--in any commodity when there is a shortage, as I have learned, I was not an expert in supply chain management, you know, in industry when there is a shortage people change what they make to make it so that they are, for example, may be larger containers to optimize bringing forward the product for purchasing. So, some of the things that people are used to seeing on the shelf, may not be there even if the total amount of formula is the same, or higher than it was. The really good news I think is that production is exceeding buying by a significant amount now, and we expect that to continue. You may remember that there was a spike in purchasing when people became concerned, understandably, families went out and stocked their pantry in case there was a problem. But we have seen that now return to a normal level, even a little bit below normal level of purchasing. So that difference between what we are producing and what is being bought should be sustained now over the next few months. So I would just expect, like a plane taking off, I would expect to see a gradual improvement in the shelves. Senator Hoeven. Okay. Thank you. I guess I will defer my additional questions now to the next round. Senator Baldwin. So next, Senator Hyde-Smith. Senator Hyde-Smith. Thank you, Chairwoman Baldwin; and Ranking Member. And I certainly appreciate our panel being here today. Sorry that I had to leave another meeting and come in, so I am glad that I have had the opportunity to be with you. Commissioner Califf, I want to talk about the shrimp industry. You know, Mississippi, we are a big shrimping state, and it is very important to Mississippi. And our shrimpers harvest as much as 10 million pounds of shrimp each year, and then we have a lot of small family-owned processors that they meet very high health and safety standards to deliver our delicious Gulf shrimp that we like to advertise so well on the tourism commercials, and to American consumers across the country. But unfortunately, our shrimp industry is forced to compete with a lot of ever-growing volumes of the imported shrimp. So much of which is dumped on our market and subsidized by foreign governments, and more than 90 percent of the shrimp we consume in the U.S. is imported, you know, that is just the fact. And in many cases from countries where the food safety standards that are inferior to ours, even more concerning is the FDA's ability or inability to adequately inspect imported shrimp to ensure these imports meet our own health and safety standards. It is no secret that drugs not approved for use in the United States are often used in foreign aquaculture operations, and that the residues of these drugs may lead to some cancer allergic reactions when consumed by humans because of the carcinogenics that are found there. I am very pleased that imported shrimp was selected for FDA's recently launched Regulatory Partnership Pilot Program, and I hope these regulatory partnerships with exporting nations will lead to better safety compliance and oversight. But my question is: Can you give us an update on the status of this pilot program, and any specific improvements you have seen with respect to the regulations of imported shrimp? Dr. Califf. Thank you, Senator, for bringing that up. I think you may be the only Senator in this group that appreciates my love for shrimp and grits. I am from a Charleston family, as evidenced by the seersucker. It is a great day to wear seersucker in the 90-plus degree weather. I think we are making great progress here. And I would actually like Dr. Mayne and Mr. Yiannas to both comment about the specifics of what is going on. I think we are making great progress here. Senator Hyde-Smith. Thank you. Dr. Mayne. Thank you. And I will say we are grateful for the resources that we have received, $6 million to help advance this work on imported shrimp, and the safety of imported shrimp, and is directed in both fiscal year 2021 and 2022. In terms of how we have used those resources, you mentioned our regulatory partnerships. So one of the things we have done, is we focused in on the countries that import the most shrimp into the United States. That includes India, Indonesia, and Ecuador, and we have been establishing regulatory partnerships with the government authorities in all three of those countries. A key part of these regulatory partnerships is also data sharing agreements, confidentiality commitments, so that we can share information that they can have about their growers, their producers. That is important data that we can use for analytics as we look to improve our predictions about imports, and what we want to screen at imports. So that is one part of this, the regulatory partnership piece of it. But there is more, as well. And in terms of what we are doing with these countries, we have also been doing training. We have actually sent some of our seafood safety experts to these countries to improve the training around seafood safety with regard to shrimp, so we have been doing that as well as the partnership agreements. The last thing I will mention is, we are using these new technologies at the border, and to try to identify the highest rate of violative products using data and analytics. I will turn it over to Deputy Commissioner Yiannas to discuss a little bit more about our predictive analytics using technology. Senator Hyde-Smith. Thank you. Mr. Yiannas. Yeah. Well, thank you for that question. And we understand that American consumers want their food and shrimp to be safe regardless of where it comes from. And so we are working on that, and the pilot has been very successful. Let me emphasize just a couple of things. On the regulatory partnerships data sharing is going to be key. Can we get data from these regulatory partners and the entities that they are regulating to inform our risk prioritization efforts? So we are making progress on that. One other point that I will make before we get to our analytical approaches is, we have invested some of those funds on analytical equipment. Some of these products, as you know, are aquaculture, and so there are drugs and residues that might be added, and I want to make sure that we can detect it. But I think the big thing that I am very excited about is the use of data. Every single line of shrimp import that comes into the United States gets screened by FDA through something that we call the PREDICT system. And we are trying to leverage in this pilot, work that we started earlier on a Seafood AI Pilot. We are using the power of artificial intelligence and machine learning to strengthen our predictive capability of finding those violative products. And so we have embedded shrimp in the Seafood AI Pilot, and early results are very promising. We are on a third round of piloting, and the results suggest that we might dramatically increase our ability to find which seafood shipment, shrimp shipments are violative. Senator Hyde-Smith. Thank you so very much for that work. And my time is up. Dr. Califf. I want to comment on whether South Carolina shrimp is better than Mississippi shrimp. But I do have an opinion about it. Senator Baldwin. Following the subcommittee, that would be great lunch. [Laughter.] Senator Baldwin. Senator Braun. Senator Braun. Thank you, Madam Chair. Dr. Califf, last August your agency entered into a memorandum of understanding with the USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service to facilitate information exchange between the two entities. So there has to be, I think, ideally a communication when there is a kind of dual agency responsibility. In that MOU it requires the FDA and FSIS to inform one another in the case of outbreaks, adverse cases of adulteration, or mislabeling, infestations, et cetera. Now, 11 months into this MOU, is the FDA planning to conduct a public critical review for its actual implementation? Dr. Califf. Senator Braun, I am sure that will be part of the top-to-bottom review that we announced yesterday. I know this is within Mr. Yiannas' portfolio, the relationships with the other agencies, so I might ask him to comment. Mr. Yiannas. The answer is yes. We work almost on a daily basis with USDA on this shared issue, and so there is regular conversation. And so the answer is yes. We are closely evaluating how we are going to work through these processes together, and we are making progress. Senator Braun. And do you think the FDA has done its part in being a co-equal partner, and trying to pursue, and discuss these issues? Mr. Yiannas. Absolutely, yeah. We have signed an MOU with the identification of roles and responsibilities, and I can tell you we have done our part. And my sense is that USDA will tell you that they are very happy with the role we play. Senator Braun. Very good. This is on a different topic, and Dr. Califf, last year we suffered a record high of 100,000 opioid overdose deaths. As a result Senator Manchin and I sent a letter to you in April urging that you implement recommendations from the National Academies to improve the FDA's policies for addressing this epidemic. A report that I think you requested during your first stint at the FDA. I know that was a critical part of the questioning when you went through the process of heading the FDA. Have we taken meaningful steps to do something about it? I know that yesterday Manchin and I co-sponsored changing the culture of the FDA Act, to kind of prod into something that looks like it is being taken more seriously, and would love to hear your comments on where we are at there, because it doesn't look like it is getting any better. Dr. Califf. I would say in terms of mortality rate from overdose is not getting better. And in fact CDC yesterday reported that it has gotten worse. And so this is something from day one, when I came in, we have been working on it, and my personal energy I will say got diverted a bit to infant formula. But in a very short period of time during the summer we are going to come out with a statement about the things that we are doing in this regard. There is a lot underway of the parts of it that are in our bailiwick, and our control, including the promised review of the past. And I don't think you solve future problems just by looking at the past, but you can learn things from the past that you need to take into account. You may have noticed yesterday Dr. Sokolowski was promoted into a joint role between the Drug part of the FDA and the Commissioner's Office, to head up this part of the effort. So we have a whole team working on it. One of the things that is really difficult and frustrating about this, is that in our list of things to do almost every one of them involves interaction with some other entity that has some say or control over it. And, you know, I will just point to over-the-counter naloxone is an example of something that is very complicated, because the cost may actually go up when you go over the counter, in that situation, to the person that needs it. But we have approaches to that that we are going to put forward. I also just want to call attention to the big new thing that is happening that we would better all pay attention to, is the essentially mail-order high-dose, chemically synthesized fentanyl and methamphetamine coming in by the mail, direct delivery to people, that is killing some of our most promising students who think they are getting Adderall or something to help them study. This is different. The things that we have worked on in the past are not going to solve this part of that too. Senator Braun. So we are out of time here. And you said during the summer, this is the summer. So when can we expect that to be out there for us and the public to see? Dr. Califf. Yeah, I can't give you an exact date, other than to say it is within the summer. And I know you are all over it---- Senator Braun. I will take that by September 21st then? Dr. Califf. Oh, no. Senator Braun. But we need it, yeah. Dr. Califf. No. I think of that as and I don't know--the way I grew up, I think of the summer not officially, but more like September, 1st of September. Senator Braun. Labor Day, okay. Well, that is even better. Look forward to seeing it. Thank you. Senator Baldwin. I am going to begin a second round of questions. And I want to make sure I ultimately involve all the panelists in questions. So Mr. Yiannas, you have prior experience working outside of the FDA with major food corporations. Can you discuss, and I know this top-to-bottom review is ongoing, or is just commencing. But can you discuss what changes you view need to occur to make food safety more of a priority at the agency? And do you think that the agency is too slow to respond to outbreaks of food-borne illnesses? Mr. Yiannas. Well, thank you for those questions. Let me take the first one at the top. Yes, I am very fortunate to have worked for 30 years in two organizations that are world class, I would say, large global footprints, and I have learned a lot in this experience. But I did come to FDA a few years ago to try to make a difference in the public sector, serving the American people who, ultimately, I think we all agree, are our bosses, the American public, and so. But a couple of the best practices that I have learned working for these world-class organizations, I think are appropriate at FDA. Let me give you three real quickly. Number one is that food safety is a priority at FDA, but I think we have to go beyond making it a priority, and making it part of the culture. It really has to be an unwavering commitment that we are going to do everything that we can to ensure that Americans have safe food. And the organizations that I work for, the reason they were great, really it was their cultures. And I know sometimes people think that is the soft stuff, but it is the hard stuff. It has got to be part of the organization's DNA. Number two, the organizations that I work for were just, I would say, ruthlessly committed to continuous improvement modernization and reinvention. You know, one went from being non-existent to the world's largest company, Fortune 1 in 50 years. How did they do that? Because they constantly reinvented what they do, and at FDA we are trying to do that under the auspices of something we have launched during my tenure, called the New Era of Smarter Food Safety. It is this idea that we are living in modern times, and we are going to need more modern approaches to how we regulate food. And so that is the second thing that I think good companies do well, those companies that go from good to great, and at FDA we are committed to continued modernization. And I would love to tell you more about New Era. But the last thing I would say is those organizations do a really good job of setting very high performance expectations, having high expectation standards of themselves, just like this conversation we are having here, we appreciate that you have high expectations of us, we have high expectations too, to do a brilliant job of clarifying roles and responsibilities so that when you work as a team there is no duplication of effort, and you get more done. And I would say the other thing the private sector does really well, is the use of performance measures or metrics. They measure everything, leading indicating, plotting indicators. And I know it is something that Dr. Califf really wants to do, is really leverage data and measurements. We are doing all of these things, but clearly there is more that we can do. In terms of the question, and it is a good question: Do I think we are too slow responding to outbreaks? I certainly think there is more we can do. Responding to foodborne outbreaks fast and thoroughly is critical. The faster you respond the quicker you can pull contaminated products off of the market and protect others from getting ill, and we have to do a better job of understanding the root cause. Why did the outbreak happen in the first place, so you could prevent it from happening again? We have publicly stated we think we can do more, and we can go faster. But let me give you just two quick examples of areas, and where we have improved. When I first arrived at FDA 3 years ago, there was quite a bit of criticism that we are too slow arriving to let us say a field, a farm, or a site after an outbreak; I can tell you that now we generally show up quickly, and as fast as 24 hours or shortly thereafter. When I arrived there was criticism that when these outbreaks happen the outbreak reports were too slow, if they ever came, so that the industry could learn from them. I can tell you we have doubled, nearly tripled the number of outbreak investigation reports that we now publish, so industry knows what happened. And we have issued some as quickly as six weeks, six weeks after the CDC has declared the outbreak over. Now, that is fast. Having stated that, there is more that we can do, and in December, under the auspices of our New Era of Smarter Food Safety, we published a report that we are calling The Foodborne Outbreak Response and Improvement Plan. We contracted with the University Of Minnesota School Of Public Health, they worked with other Federal partners, and did a review of our outbreak investigation procedures, and we published a plan on how we further intend to improve how quickly and thoroughly we respond. So thank you for that question. Senator Baldwin. Thank you. We know that the Office of Regulatory Affairs at FDA has vast responsibility for overseeing inspections and enforcement of FDA regulations. One criticism that we have heard is that FDA is too slow, that the agency is stuck with outdated ways of thinking, and is not nimble to keep up with modern trends. So Mr. Rogers, how do you respond to those sorts of criticisms? Mr. Rogers. Yeah, thank you for the question. You know, I think we have demonstrated the ability to be nimble, especially in response to foodborne outbreaks, and emergencies. As Deputy Commissioner Yiannas mentioned, we have on many occasions, in response to an emergency, been able to get boots on the ground within 24 hours, on the farm, and in the facility. I can say that we are an organization that is committed to continuous improvement. We certainly welcome any feedback that would help us better achieve our public health mission and we certainly will react to the recommendations that are part of the ongoing internal review. Senator Baldwin. I am going to suspend the second round so we can give Senator Tester his first round of questions. Senator Tester. Thank you, Madam Chair. Anytime I can cut in front of Moran that is a good day. I will tell you, that is how much I know. Well, first of all welcome to you all. Dr. Califf, it is good to have you in front of the committee, it is good to see you got confirmed. I like all that, okay. You are a cardiologist, which means you are a doctor, which means you should know medicine, and you know probably better than anybody that the cost of medicine as part of the family's budget, has increased significantly over the last few decades. That is the bad news for the budget. The good news for the budget is the price of food has decreased as far as the overall amount put out for this. It is due to a lot of good science, quite honestly, developing hybrid plants that people like me, as a farmer, depend upon. But the truth is, is I don't know that we are doing enough to find out if the food we eat is still medicine, which food is medicine. And I think you would agree on that. You eat good food you usually have better health outcomes. There is a lot of information out there about people's allergies to wheat, and their ability to not eat it, which by the way is the staff of life. The question is, if the FDA, or is there anybody doing research on the work that man has done to modify plants, to make them so they produce higher protein, and bigger yields to be able to feed the world, which are all noble causes, but they are not so noble if they don't reduce inflammation, if they don't if they are not good for you. And one of your predecessors, I think I told you this when I brought them in and asked them this question. They said, wheat, we don't need to do any research on wheat because wheat is wheat, regardless whether it has been genetically modified, or hybridized, or anything. I am not arguing against any of that, because quite frankly, I have profited from that good science. But the bottom line is, is anybody doing any research to make sure what people are eating actually is making them healthier in the area of-- that the plants have been hybridized. Dr. Califf. Senator Tester, I really appreciate you bringing this up. I mean this gets into the area of precision nutrition in my view, which is a great topic. Dr. Mayne is the world's authority in this area. Let me just say, in my opening statement I made the point, we now, as Americans, live 5 years shorter than the average of other high-income countries. And the foundation of good health is a good diet, and not using tobacco products. So that combination. Senator Tester. That cuts me out on both by the way. Go ahead. Dr. Califf. So then the question is: What is good diet? And what is a good diet for an individual? And what are the constituents of the diet that make a difference? And with our change to a digital world of data, there is so much more that we can do. So Dr. Mayne, you may want to address that? Dr. Mayne. So thank you, Senator Tester. So a couple comments; first of all from an FDA perspective with regard to genetically engineered crops or gene-edited crops. We do play an important role through our Biotech Notification Program. So we look at the types of changes that are being intentionally made to these crops for very important characteristics. For example, drought resistance, resistance to viruses, improved nutrient levels, those are the types of innovations that we are seeing so our job is to make sure that those crops, when they are introduced into the market are safe and that they are appropriately labeled. Senator Tester. So how do you do that? And I am not only talking about GMOs, I am actually even talking about hybridized. It has been around my lifetime, my entire lifetime. Dr. Mayne. Yes. Senator Tester. So how do you actually test to see--for example, Turkey Red, which is a wheat that my grandfather raised when he homesteaded the farm, actually reduces inflammation, or at least I have been told that, okay, by people who are smart. And I have been told, by the way, that some of the wheats that we raise that are very, very common now, don't do that. That seems to me to add to costs, and people eat wheat because they think it is good for you, and I am one of those people that think it is good for me, because I eat a lot of it. Is there anybody that does any research to say yeah, you know what, 27431, developed by whatever university you want to say, really doesn't have those inflammation reduction qualities. Dr. Mayne. Yes. I guess how I would respond is, with regard to traditionally bred, hybrid types of crops? Senator Tester. Yes. Dr. Mayne. That type of research would be done primarily out of USDA working with the Federal agencies. So when it comes to basic science research, client research, USDA and NIH, are critical partners. Senator Tester. So is that done because Congress wants USDA to do it, because USDA ain't going to--that dog ain't going to hunt in USDA. I am just telling you. There is no way. They have got other stuff that they are doing. Why isn't FDA doing it? I mean you guys, it is Food Administration, and we will leave Drugs out, Food Administration. Dr. Mayne. Yes. How I would respond is, we do not have a significant budget to support things like extramural research, and---- Senator Tester. So you need more money? Dr. Mayne. If we were to take on a mission like that, we are not resourced to do that at this time. Senator Tester. And if I might, Madam Chair, and then I will shut up? Might I ask if you had the money to do it, do you think that the science community would try to stop you from doing that research? Dr. Mayne. We always follow the science on anything that we do and---- Senator Tester. Okay. But remember the science is disease resistant, drought resistant, bug resistant, all good things by the way, all stuff that I applaud as a farmer when I put it in the ground, but on the other side, if it doesn't produce the kind of food effects that you want, and nobody is testing it don't you think people get a little bit nervous if you started testing for this, for the food nutrition, the qualities? Dr. Mayne. When it comes to, again, the genetically engineered, gene-edited ones we--if they are improving nutrient content, we require evidence of that when we are looking at those types of submissions. But we don't review the regular crops. Dr. Califf. Could I make one comment? Senator Tester. And I don't want to beat this dog to death, but nutrient costs, is one thing, health care benefits aren't-- I think another? Dr. Califf. You showed a lot--in my opinion, you showed a lot of wisdom there, Senator. You sounded like a researcher. If I can make one quick comment about this, and I think Dr. Mayne agrees with me on this. Nutritional research needs to be an all-of-government effort. I mean, to leave out the NIH would be a big mistake, to not involve USDA would be a big mistake. I think FDA should have a bigger role, we have got a lot of expertise, and we understand health effects. I mean, the point you made about measuring just inflammation not that the overall health effect is a really important one. And we couldn't even address this until recently, because we didn't have the big data capabilities that we now have to study populations. I called your attention to a White House Conference coming up in September where all the players are going to be at the table, I would urge you to get your say in, because I think you are saying the right thing. Senator Tester. You are very kind. Thank you all for being here. Thank you, Madam Chair. Senator Baldwin. Do you have a second round of questions, Senator Moran. Senator Moran. Yes, and I hate follow Senator Tester. Thank you, Chairwoman Baldwin. Senator Baldwin. You are welcome. Senator Moran. Dr. Califf, it currently takes three to 5 years for a new animal feed ingredient to be approved. In fiscal year '20 I worked to secure an additional $5 million for FDA to hire additional personnel to review feed ingredient approvals. In fiscal year 2022 Congress provided another million to improve, or attempt to improve this process. Since receiving those additional resources what steps have FDA taken to improve timeliness of reviewing and approving animal ingredients? And then when you answer that question, then I want to flag a policy concern I have in that process. Dr. Califf. Well, you know, the additional funding has been appreciated. I know that Dr. Solomon and CVM have worked really hard to speed up the process, and do the evaluations that are needed, and I think the Center for Veterinary Medicine is the most underappreciated part of the FDA. I mean, oversight is good, support is good, and I have to go back and talk with Dr. Solomon to get a more detailed answer but I do appreciate the question. Senator Moran. If you would ask him to contact me or my staff that would be wonderful. Dr. Califf. We will do it. Senator Moran. The follow up to that is a policy concern with the approval process. The livestock industry is looking to offer solutions to meet the challenges related to climate; however, the current FDA policy interpretations regulate certain feed ingredients which could reduce greenhouse gas emissions as animal drugs instead of as a feed ingredient. It is my understanding that the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine Policy Manual dictating these decisions has not been updated since 1998. Would you commit to reviewing those policies related to categorizing feed ingredients as animal drugs, and working with me to improve the approval process so our livestock producers can get these climate solutions available in a more timely fashion? Dr. Califf. I know there are several issues in that category, so I am definitely committed to reviewing it. The impact on emissions has got to be an important consideration in that overall picture. So the short answer is, yes. Senator Moran. Thank you, Doctor. Senator Baldwin. All right, Senator Hoeven. Senator Hoeven. Thanks, Madam Chair. Dr. Califf, you mentioned the top-to-bottom review, when do you expect it to begin? And then I trust you will be sharing it with Congress as well, correct? Dr. Califf. I think a lot of people are going to be watching this and, you know, in an interview I did yesterday I pointed out that we have a lot of bosses, and Mr. Yiannas said the public, I agree with that. You guys are our bosses. We can't make the kind of changes we are going to need without your agreement. So I don't see it as, just informing you, I think we are going to have to iterate about what we are finding and what you believe. And we are also part of the Executive Branch, so we got a lot of masters there that we have to satisfy. We are going to start as soon as we get the contracting done. You know, the people that do the work are going to put a lot of time and effort into it. So we are working on that right now through the Reagan-Udall Foundation, and we are committed to having a report within 60 business days of the time that the work begins. Senator Hoeven. Okay. Thank you. Budget transparency, also I brought up the Food Safety Modernization Act, and both performance before and after, can you incorporate into your budgeting process or reporting process, how you are trying to implement that flexibility, and improve your processes? Will that be part of this review as well? Dr. Califf. The short answer is yes. I will say I have worked in just about every kind of organization. The Federal Agency budgets, I would say, are among the more difficult to decipher because of the mixed mission, and sort of all these things come into play. And I think on the food side, you know, one thing about the user fees on the medical product side, is it brings a discipline to the budget that is very clear, which has some value. We don't have that on the food side. But we are committed to making the budget much more transparent and understandable. Senator Hoeven. So Mr. Yiannas, and I know, I talked to Dr. Califf about this as well. I know you are trying to use technology to create a safer food supply, a more traceable food supply, and all that kind of thing. You have worked with large companies, I certainly understand how they can implement the IT to do that kind of thing, but there is a lot of small companies out there, how are they going to be part of this effort? I mean, and it seems like a very worthy effort, but how are they going to have the resource base to do this? Mr. Yiannas. Well, thank you for that question, and you are right, we have to be very cognitive of this. You have acknowledged we want to use technology such as machine learning to strengthen our predictive capabilities. We have an interest in leveraging technology such as distributive ledger to see if we can track and trace foods faster, but we have to be cognitive and very careful of what we ask or require of the industries that we regulate. And so we are taking that into consideration. Let me give you one quick example of how we are doing that. I think many of you know, we have a proposed food traceability rule. When we issued that proposed food traceability rule, it was just for certain foods that are most likely to be involved in foodborne outbreaks, number one. Number two, when we proposed the rule we said that the records can be kept for each node in the system, not for the entire continuum, but for each node, and it can be kept on paper. So we are not requiring that it be kept digitally. We have carved out exemptions for small food producers, and for small retailers, and so we are being cognitive. We do know that some in the food industry, as the food industry becomes increasingly digitized, because it is happening, it hasn't happened real quickly as it has happened in other industries, because of the margins on food, but it is going to happen because it drives efficiencies. As that happens we have to be careful that we don't create what I call a digital divide. And so one of the things we did just last year, we did something that was a little bit less traditional. We didn't write rules, we didn't write guidance, but we held what we call the Food Traceability Challenge, and we called it a low- to no-cost food traceability challenge. Let me emphasize, it was low- to no- cost. We know that data can be digitized, we have been digitizing data for decades, but we went out to food traceability solution providers, and we said, can you create solutions that are low to no cost, so they can scale for food producers at all sizes? And our call to action was answered in a big way. We had over 90 submissions representing 12 countries around the world, we have selected winners. And a lot of the solutions are low to no cost. If you think about social media platforms, many of us are in them, how much do you pay to participate? Most of us none, because they have created economic models that allow those solutions to scale, and so rest assured that we are very careful of this, and we won't require something on food producers that is not doable. And we will make sure that our food safety policies and rules are sustainable, and that they can be executed by food producers of all sizes. Senator Hoeven. Thank you. I appreciate that answer, clearly something you have been thinking about necessary. Mr. Yiannas. Yes. Senator Hoeven. Dr. Califf, this relates a little bit to what you were talking to Tester about, but there are 21 Federal agencies that all have different programs, standards, requirements, recommendations, suggestions, I mean you name it, but they all want to kind of tell you how you ought to improve your diet to make you more healthy, okay? Well, that can create a lot of challenges out there for a lot of folks. Like school nutritionists, for example, who I think know quite a bit about nutrition and what those school children should eat, will eat, won't eat. And sometimes all these, you know, mandates from on high where somebody just knows how all 300-plus million folks ought to eat every day, you know, create some real challenges out there. As lead agency on food safety, how do you--how do you kind of weigh in on that, and kind of rationalize the thing in a way that works for consumers and for the folks, the professionals out there that are trying to do it, but you still got to give people choice, and discretion. And, you know, I mean, they might want to eat Mississippi shrimp, or they might want to eat South Carolina shrimp, and so they should be informed, but they should also have their choice. Dr. Califf. I am going to turn to Dr. Mayne, but let me just say, she and I, I remember going back to 2015, have arguments about this on the scientific basis of how you derive the conclusions that you need to derive, because you could write a book about, just about any diet now and sell it to a lot of people. It might not be good for any of them. But Dr. Mayne is in charge of this food labeling effort. It is just an amazing---- I just think of in my lectures between my stints at FDA, I said, you have got a space about this big to inform 320 million people who speak different languages, and have different levels of education, it is a big task. Dr. Mayne. So I would say we are very committed to doing what you just said, which is empowering consumers with information, we want consumers to have the information they need to make those types of choices. And labeling is a key tool. And you mentioned 21 Federal agencies, but only a few of them are regulatory, like FDA. And so we do have some unique levers to really help empower consumers with information. So that is a key part of what we do. In terms of consumer choice, we agree with consumer choice, we are trying to support innovation throughout the food supply, but to make sure those products are safe, and then they are properly labeled so consumers do have those choices. In terms of the foundation of dietary recommendations, that is the dietary guidelines process; that is a joint process that is done every 5 years. It is a partnership between the U.S. Department of Agriculture and Health and Human Services, we do play a role in that as part of HHS, but all the Federal dietary guidance derives from the dietary guidelines process that occurs every 5 years. Senator Hoeven. How about standards of identity? In one case there is one that dates back to 1988. How are we making sure that these standards of identity are being--those decisions are being made, they are being made well, and they are being made timelier? Dr. Mayne. Thank you for that. Should I take that one? Dr. Califf. Please. Dr. Mayne. Yes, thank you for that question. Senator Hoeven. My next one is going to be Mississippi and South Carolina shrimp. So it is going to get tougher after this one too. Dr. Mayne. Yeah. There are a large number of standards of identity, some of them definitely need to be updated, and we have some petitions that we have been working our way through, and we are very committed to updating, modernizing standards of identity, and where appropriate creating new standards of identity. We have some requests to create new standards of identity, for example. But one of the challenges with regard to standards of identity, it is not designed to be an agile process, this process to update a standard of identity involves rulemaking, and rulemaking always takes time. And with certain standards of identity it involves formal rulemaking which is, in some ways, an even more complicated process. So it is not a quick process. The other piece is, as we work to update a standard of identity it is really critical that we have extensive stakeholder engagement to understand the practices that are used by the folks who are making those standardized foods, so that the modernized standard of identity really reflects what is in there. So we are very committed to doing that, we are making progress on that, we appreciate new resources that we have received from you all. Senator Hoeven. Which were provided, yeah. Dr. Mayne. Yes. This has been a very under-resourced area, and CFSAN is one of the most under-resourced in the past, and that created a backlog, like the 1988 one that you mentioned. But with the new resources, we have been able to hire 13 new people. We have five new recruits that we are working to get through the process. I will mention that the Foods Program does not have the Cures hiring authority that is as agile as the medical products, so it takes us longer to get those new hires on board. So we know we have had conversations with many of you about hiring authorities that the medical product centers have, if the Foods Program had those same hiring authorities your resources would translate into bodies on board more quickly in the Foods Program. Senator Hoeven. I appreciate that. That is a good recommendation, and I am glad you brought up the additional funding. I was going to do it, you did, good for you. The Flexibility Hiring Authority is something that we should look into. I appreciate that recommendation. This is a challenging area. I am sure that the Chairman can tell you. You know, for example milk products, you know, so but a very important area. So thank you for your response. Senator Baldwin. Thank you. I want to share my gratitude with all the witnesses from FDA. I think we had a good discussion, and I want to assure you that the committee is here to support you in the important work you do. I am now going to dismiss this panel, and invite the second panel to come forward. And I will be introducing them as that transition is taking place. So you are excused. And thank you again for appearing. PANEL II Senator Baldwin. I want to welcome our second panel. Mr. Brian Ronholm is the Director of Food Policy at Consumer Reports. Brian leads consumer reports advocacy efforts with regard to food safety. He was previously a deputy undersecretary for food safety at USDA, and also served as an agriculture appropriations associate for Representative Rosa DeLauro. Ms. Sarah Gallo is the Vice President of Product Policy at Consumer Brands Association. In her role she oversees the Consumer Brand's regulation issues, from advocacy through education. She has also served as Vice President of Agriculture and Environment for the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, otherwise known as BIO. These witnesses bring years of experience, and expertise, and we are looking forward to hearing from both of you today. So if I have given you enough time to get settled. I will start with Ms. Gallo. STATEMENT OF MS. SARAH GALLO, VICE PRESIDENT, PRODUCT POLICY CONSUMER BRANDS ASSOCIATION Ms. Gallo. Plenty of time to get settled. Thank you Senator. Chairwoman Baldwin, Ranking Member Hoeven, and other members of the subcommittee, thank you for the invitation to testify today. As you noted my name is Sarah Gallo, and I serve as Vice President of Product Policy for the Consumer Brands Association. Consumer Brands champions the industry whose products Americans depend on every day, representing more than 2,000 iconic brands. From cleaning and personal care, to food and beverage products, the consumer packaged goods industry plays a vital role in powering the U.S. economy, contributing $2 trillion to U.S. GDP and supporting more than 20 million American jobs. The CPG industry depends on the FDA to perform its regulatory role effectively, efficiently, and transparently. As we look to the future of our industry, modernizing and reforming FDA is top of mind, for food, beverage, and personal care companies we represent, and their experiences provide real-world evidence of why a modernized FDA is warranted. Consumer Brands is calling on FDA to unify its food program under a deputy commissioner for foods, with accountability to the Commissioner and direct line authority over CFSAN, CVM, and the food-related components and operations of ORA. The lack of a single full-time fully empowered expert leader affects all aspects of the FDA's food program. Inefficient decisionmaking has slowed reviews, hindering progress, and even rendering innovation obsolete. Inexperienced and under-trained inspectors are being sent into the field, a split and siloed food program undercuts communication and collaboration. There is an urgent need for this change to be made and the appointees should have relevant and appropriate food credentials to quickly implement modifications that will benefit consumers and our industry. A unified structure and a full-time senior leader translates into results we all care about, focused leadership, accountability, and effective dialogue with myriad stakeholders, and FDA can make this change now. The creation of a deputy commissioner for foods does not require an act of Congress or rulemaking. In fact, the position existed under the Obama administration, and worked to ensure programs and oversight worked at optimal levels. We know that FDA's food program may require increased funding to fulfill this mission. We also appreciate that Congress has provided considerable funding going back to fiscal year 2015. A strategic review, and realignment around priorities could help FDA and its stakeholders make the case for additional funding if needed. Organizing under a deputy commissioner for food is step one, but it is not the only step. Consumer Brands set a goal to define a series of high-value, product related policies that reframe FDA's food operations. A decade ago, we would have thought about modernizing FDA to move at the speed of business, but years later it is essential that FDA is reformed to move at the speed of the consumer, meeting their rapidly changing preferences and demands. We are in the progress of articulating these policies with our member companies, and look forward to sharing our plan with you in the coming months. Modernizing the agency also should be business critical for the agency, reforms stand to position FDA as the leader and a subject matter expert in facilitating innovation, assisting industry to meet state mandates and enabling data to drive decisionmaking. Consumer Brands calls on FDA to convene an independent outside panel of experts to address modernization of food program policy and operations, Finally, I would note that the COVID-19 pandemic demonstrates that regulators like FDA and industry can work together to improve the regulatory environment. I will note a few policies that worked during the pandemic, and that continue to work in today's operating environment. First, incorporating remote regulatory assessments in modernized inspection approaches has the potential to save hours or even days' worth of time for companies, as well as for government agencies and departments. Second, a process for quickly creating just-in-time industry best practice documents, clearing them, and subsequently sharing them with appropriate Federal and state government agencies, and then posting to a website, should be the new normal, and the Federal government should partner with industry to achieve this goal. Labeling flexibility is provided by the FDA during the pandemic to address those persistent supply chain challenges were critical to the CPG industry's ability to deliver essentials to consumers, particularly when they were homebound. These flexibilities make supply chains more nimble, allowing us to better navigate shortages while ensuring consumer safety. Working at the speed of the consumer requires a strong, modernized FDA, one that is structured, governed, and funded for success. That might not be the case today, but it also doesn't need to be the fate of tomorrow if FDA chooses to make smart, needed changes. We look forward to working with the committee to achieve this goal. And I look forward to your questions, and appreciate the opportunity to present our perspective. Thank you. [The statement follows:] Prepared Statement of Ms. Sarah Gallo Chairwoman Baldwin, Ranking Member Hoeven and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the invitation to testify at today's hearing. My name is Sarah Gallo, and I serve as vice president of product policy for the Consumer Brands Association. Consumer Brands champions the industry whose products Americans depend on every day, representing more than 2,000 iconic brands. From cleaning and personal care to food and beverage products, the consumer packaged goods (CPG) industry plays a vital role in powering the U.S. economy, contributing $2 trillion to U.S. GDP and supporting more than 20 million American jobs. There is a considerable range of issues currently affecting CPG products. Consumer Brands has been laser focused on supply chain and packaging sustainability for several years, as both issues impact the entirety of the CPG industry and require continued attention. As we look to the future of our industry, modernizing and reforming FDA is top of mind for the food, beverage and personal care companies we represent. To meet consumers where they are today, FDA rightly should be modernized to keep pace with consumer demand and preference. Our members' experiences across the CPG industry provide real world evidence of why a modernized FDA is warranted. Companies are halting innovation in food packaging and novel foods because of delays in FDA's review of industry submissions. We hear concerns about an inability to innovate, grow and thrive because FDA lacks streamlined decision making for the range of products within its jurisdiction. Addressing structural and governance issues at the agency, particularly with respect to FDA's food and nutrition program, is foundational to modernizing FDA in this space. The aggressive modernization of FDA's medical products programs that took place several years ago should serve as model and imperative for FDA's food program to keep pace with industry innovation and consumer demands. We are hopeful that today's hearing can begin a process to elevate and strengthen FDA's role in supporting the CPG industry in meeting consumer demands and expectations and innovating for enhanced safety and environmental quality in the decades ahead. unifying fda's food program under a deputy commissioner for foods The CPG industry depends on FDA to perform its regulatory role effectively, efficiently and transparently. We appreciate FDA's past collaboration with our industry, consumer groups and the States in implementing the Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA) and executing on its New Era of Smarter Food Safety initiative. Unfortunately, problems in the food program's organizational structure, governance and performance are impacting the effectiveness of that relationship. Specifically, the lack of a single, full-time, fully empowered, expert leader affects all aspects of the FDA's food program. Inefficient decision making has slowed reviews, hindering progress and even rendering innovation obsolete. Inexperienced and undertrained inspectors are being sent into the field. A split and siloed food program undercuts communication and collaboration at the expense of efficiency and responsiveness. Each of FDA's major food program units, the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN), Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) and the Office of Regulatory Affairs (ORA), stands to benefit from a common strategic direction, clear priorities, sound resource management and internal accountability that could result from unifying the program under an expert leader who is accountable and responsible for the program. Consumer Brands is calling on FDA to unify its food program under a deputy commissioner for foods, with accountability to the commissioner and direct line authority over CFSAN, CVM and the food-related components and operations of ORA. There is an urgent need for this change to be made, and the appointee should have relevant and appropriate food credentials to quickly implement modifications that will benefit consumers and our industry. A unified structure and a full-time senior leader translate into results we all care about-- focused leadership, accountability and effective dialogue with myriad stakeholders. We believe that the ultimate success of FSMA, as well as execution of the New Era of Smarter Food Safety blueprint, requires transparency and robust engagement with industry, consumer groups, state associations and other stakeholders. This is lacking under the current structure and governance model. FDA can make this change now. The creation of a deputy commissioner for foods does not require an act of Congress or rulemaking. In fact, the position existed during the Obama administration and worked to ensure programs and oversight work at optimal levels. I have made several references to accountability and want to note that Consumer Brands acknowledges that FDA's food program may require increased funding to fulfill its mission. We also appreciate that Congress has provided considerable funding for the FDA food program going back to Fiscal Year 2015. A strategic review and realignment around these enhanced priorities could help FDA and its stakeholders make the case for bolstering funding if needed. We will continue working with the FDA and this committee to ensure FDA's funding needs are transparent, understood, requested and appropriated. modernizing the agency Organizing under a deputy commissioner for food is step one, not the only step. Consumer Brands set a goal to define a series of high value, product-related policies that embrace technological advancements and reframe FDA's food program operations. A decade ago, we would have thought about modernizing FDA to move at the speed of business. Years later, it is essential that FDA is reformed to move at the speed of the consumer, meeting their rapidly changing preferences and demands. We are in the process of articulating these policies with our member companies and look forward to sharing our plan with you in the coming months. Certainly, policies related to modernizing inspections, labeling and recall processes, new policy formulation to address e- commerce and the use of technology and new models for FDA-industry collaboration will be included. Modernizing the agency is business-critical for our industry. FDA must develop and implement a structured, prioritized regulatory agenda for its food program, utilizing a transparent process that allows for stakeholder input and includes a public process for rulemaking and issuance of guidance. But modernizing the agency also should be business-critical for the agency. Reforms stand to position FDA as a leader and subject matter expert in facilitating innovation, assisting industry in meeting state mandates on issues related to packaging materials and enabling data to drive decision making. We are encouraged that Commissioner Califf noted in testimony before House Oversight and Investigations subcommittee that he will be looking at the overall food program from the perspective of reforming it. Consumer Brands calls on FDA to convene an independent, outside panel of experts to address modernization of food program policy and procedures. applying lessons learned from the covid-19 crisis The COVID-19 pandemic created unprecedented challenges for the CPG industry, demanding new approaches to manufacturing processes and temporary changes to government policies and regulations. Many of these crisis-driven actions have proven as safe and more efficient at achieving the goals of pre-crisis public policy and should be made permanent. The experience of the pandemic demonstrates that regulators like FDA and industry can work together to improve the regulatory environment. Here are a few policies that worked during the pandemic and that continue to work in today's changed operating environment, producing better results for consumers and businesses alike: 1. Develop and Implement Modernized Routine Inspection and Third- Party Audit Models That Include Remote Regulatory Assessments COVID-19 illustrated it is possible to facilitate efficient regulatory oversight by inspectors--and verification of suppliers by auditors--through alternative approaches that replace certain in-person practices. Incorporating remote regulatory assessments in modernized inspection approaches has the potential to save hours of time for individual facilities and days for companies with multiple facilities, as well as for government agencies and departments. 2. Expand Government Capabilities to Provide ``Speed of Business'' Regulatory Responses to Stakeholder Inquiries and Emerging Issues During the COVID-19 crisis, regulators provided timely and complete responses and solutions to stakeholder questions and problems. Most regulatory agencies and departments have mechanisms in place for this type of stakeholder engagement, but typically the speed of the response and the provision of practical solutions take weeks. The process deployed during the pandemic for addressing industry's questions and solving problems in real time should be the new normal post-pandemic. 3. Expedite Creation of Just-In-Time Best Practice Documents During the COVID-19 crisis, multiple just-in-time industry best practice documents were created by trade associations, including Consumer Brands, that were ``blessed'' by agencies-- CDC and FDA in particular. A process for expeditiously creating these documents, clearing them, subsequently sharing with appropriate Federal and State government agencies for their concurrence (as opposed to clearance) and then posting on the web was established and implemented. These documents were fit for use, timely, ensured consumer safety and served to help numerous individual facilities and establishments. This process and expectation should be the new normal and the Federal Government should partner with industry to achieve this goal. 4. Maintain Food Labeling Flexibility Labeling flexibilities provided by the FDA during the pandemic to address persistent supply chain challenges were critical to the CPG industry's ability to deliver essentials to consumers, particularly when they were homebound. From allowing minor ingredient substitutions without corresponding label changes to permitting the diversion of product labeled for one use (i.e. restaurants) to be redirected to an area of greater need (i.e. grocery store shelves), these flexibilities make supply chains more nimble, allowing us to better navigate shortages and ensure consumer access and safety. conclusion The CPG industry is accountable to and responsible for the consumers it serves. Working at the speed of the consumer requires a strong, modernized FDA--one that is structured, governed and funded for success. That may not be the case today, but it is also not the fate of tomorrow if FDA chooses to make smart, needed changes. Our industry stands ready to respond to and partner with the FDA to meet the essential, daily needs of American families. We believe there is ample opportunity for industry, Congress and the administration to work together and deliver a modernized FDA food program. We look forward to working with the committee to achieve this goal. I look forward to your questions and appreciate the opportunity to present our perspective. Senator Baldwin. Thank you, Ms. Gallo. Next, we will hear from Mr. Ronholm. STATEMENT OF MR. BRIAN RONHOLM, DIRECTOR, FOOD POLICY CONSUMER REPORTS Mr. Ronholm. Thank you Madam Chair, and Ranking Member Hoeven. I know my written testimony is in the record, but I will just take a moment to make some brief comments. And I know during his testimony today, Dr. Califf made a couple mentions of the top and bottom reviews that will be conducted as part of their process. And I would just point that the critical points to these top-to-bottom reviews are, as Sarah alluded to, independent and transparent. And yesterday's announcement about the Reagan-Udall Foundation conducting the evaluation is an interesting development that will deserve monitoring. Given that the purpose of the Foundation is to support the FDA's mission we certainly are eager to learn more details about how the Foundation will ensure that that process is independent. And we are also eager to learn more about how the Foundation will ensure the transparency of their process, and how they intend to engage with internal stakeholders within FDA, particularly CFSAN, CVM, ORA, those offices, and also how they intend to engage with external stakeholders, consumer groups, industry, state and local regulators. I think having as much input as possible throughout this process will be critical to their process in conducting a true, comprehensive, top-to-bottom review. And I know a coalition of groups including Consumer Brands and Consumer Reports are certainly looking forward to working with the Foundation throughout that process to resolve the concerns. And it is those concerns that link to my testimony which focuses on how the structure, governance, and performance of the food program impacts recalls and food policy decisions, between inadequate responses to recalls a failure to implement a culture of illness prevention, and a failure to move quickly on proposed rules and initiatives, there are a number of questions about whether the FDA is performing its regulatory role effectively. It is struggling in its role to protect consumers, and it is preventing the food industry from operating effectively. The recent infant formula crisis was merely one symptom that exposed a greater organizational structure and culture problem, and it is clear that the confidence in the food program is eroding. A big reason for the lower confidence is that the food program has second-class status within FDA, and it has resulted in serious problems. The FDA also lacks a single full-time, fully empowered, expert leader to provide strategic leadership and management accountability to a set of offices that are responsible for approximately 80 percent of the food supply. It is a fragmented structure in the food program that led an unprecedented coalition of consumer groups, industry trade associations, and state local regulators to join together to call on FDA to unify the food program under a deputy commissioner for foods. And this is what Sarah alluded to in her testimony. This position would have accountability to the Commissioner, and direct oversight authority over CFSAN, CVM, and the food-related operations of ORA, that would bring focused leadership and accountability to the food program at the agency. The current framework often results in an overall lack of urgency in making compliance decisions including recalls, and an aggressive lack of ambition on policy initiatives. Another area where there are serious questions and certainly appropriate to this subcommittee, is how funding is allocated within the food program. ORA, which is responsible for inspections and compliance receives approximately 70 percent of all FDA food program funding, and despite the funding increases that the FDA has received post-FSMA, we have seen inspections decline in the years following the enactment of FSMA, and even before the pandemic shutdown. So while there is general agreement among stakeholder groups for the need for increased funding for the food program at the agency it should come with more accountability and more transparency. Unlike those other programs at FDA, FDA co-regulates food safety with state local programs. These programs have had funding capped in recent years. ORA also significantly reduced FDA-funded state inspections which can be conducted at a lower cost. Meanwhile, ORA is seeking to count state inspections conducted without Federal funding towards its FSMA mandate. The success of the food program, overall, requires a full- time, empowered expert leader who could lead culture change, and ensure accountability for resource management. We are fortunate to have a person with immense expertise and abilities, like Dr. Califf, serving as FDA Commissioner. His assertions about investing in technology to leverage oversight activities, certainly makes sense; however, investing in technologies and implementing structural changes for improved governance are not, mutually, exclusive opportunities. We are not going to algorithm our way out of the existing problems in the food program. We also need structural and governance changes, stronger leadership, and a higher priority that puts food and nutrition policy at the same level at the agency with drugs, devices biologics, and tobacco. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today, and I look forward to your questions. [The statement follows:] Prepared Statement of Mr. Brian Ronholm Chairwoman Baldwin, Ranking Member Hoeven, and subcommittee members, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the FDA food program. Founded in 1936, Consumer Reports is an independent, non-profit and non-partisan organization that works with consumers to create a fair and just marketplace. Known for its rigorous testing and ratings of products, Consumer Reports advocates for laws and company practices that put consumers first. We are dedicated to amplifying the voices of consumers to promote safety, digital rights, financial fairness, and sustainability. The organization surveys millions of Americans every year, reports extensively on the challenges and opportunities for today's consumers, and provides ad-free content and tools to 6 million members across the U.S. fda governance and performance I would like to focus my testimony on how the organizational structure, governance, and performance of the FDA food program impacts food recalls and food policy decisions. Between inadequate responses to recalls, a failure to implement a culture of illness prevention, and a failure to move quickly on proposed rules and initiatives, there are a number of questions about whether the FDA is performing its regulatory role effectively. The FDA food program appears to be struggling in its role to protect consumers and is preventing the food industry from operating effectively. There are many stakeholder groups in the food policy community who believe that the recent infant formula crisis exposed a greater organizational structure and culture problem that has long existed at FDA. It has become increasingly clear that confidence in the FDA food program is eroding among consumers, industry, States and other stakeholder groups. fragmented structure and poor governance A significant reason for the diminished confidence is that the FDA food program has second class status within the agency and it has resulted in serious problems relating to its structure, governance and performance. Another primary reason is the FDA lacks a single, full- time, fully empowered expert leader of all aspects of the food program. As you know, in recent decades, most FDA commissioners have been medical specialists who naturally focus on the programs impacting medical products. This leadership focus is certainly warranted considering the significant impact these programs have on public health, and the pandemic provides an example of this. However, this usually results in intense competition for the commissioner's time and support, and focus on the food program is typically what has suffered under this dynamic. It has become virtually impossible for an FDA commissioner to possess the bandwidth to provide strategic leadership and management accountability to a large set of offices that regulate approximately 80 percent of our food supply. The lack of a single full-time leader affects all aspects of FDA's food program. The most significant is the effect of these issues on the implementation of the Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA). The success of FSMA depends on all major food program units--Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN), Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM), and the Office of Regulatory Affairs (ORA)--working together with state partners and with a common strategic direction, clear priorities, sound resource management, and internal accountability. Success also requires transparency and robust engagement with consumers, industry, States, and other stakeholders. This is an element that is currently lacking with the FDA food program. It is this fragmented structure and dynamic in the FDA food program that led an unprecedented coalition of consumer groups, industry trade associations and State and local regulators to join together recently to call on FDA to unify the food program under a deputy commissioner for foods. This position would have accountability to the commissioner and direct line authority over CFSAN, CVM, and the food-related components and operations of ORA. The coalition letter urged Commissioner Califf to immediately appoint someone with relevant and appropriate food credentials. In addition to bringing focused leadership and accountability to the FDA's food program internally, a unified structure and a full-time senior expert leader would strengthen the program's standing externally and its ability to be in effective dialogue with its many stakeholders. While typically many of the organizations that sent the letter may not agree on a number of issues, we do agree that there are serious problems within FDA's food program as it relates to organizational structure, governance and performance. We are aligned on the importance of the food program for protecting consumers and the ability of the food industry to operate effectively. The fragmented structure and framework of the food program results in delays in making compliance decisions, including recalls. The duplicative multiple compliance and recall groups within each part of the food program and the lack of unifying leadership often result in these delays and an overall lack of urgency. fda resource management and food program funding transparency Another area of broad general agreement among stakeholder groups is the need for increased funding for the FDA food program to fulfill its mission. But, this increased funding should come with more accountability and transparency. This subcommittee, and Congress in general, has provided considerable funding for the food program, especially for the implementation of the Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA). However, the current fragmentation of the food program and the lack of a single, empowered full-time expert leader has caused delays in the implementation of FSMA and questions about how funding is allocated within the FDA food program. The essence of FSMA was calling for a shift in FDA's culture from one that reacted to food safety situations to one that focused on prevention. This is most critically needed in ORA, which is responsible for inspection and compliance, and receives approximately 70 percent of all FDA food program funding. ORA is viewed historically as an insular organization that resists change, does not transparently share food resource and program data with food policy leaders in CFSAN and CVM. Under the current governance structure, ORA makes unilateral, unaccountable resource allocation decisions that have resulted in a large overhead structure. Only about a third of its resources are allocated to its food safety and compliance activity. Despite the funding increases Congress has provided, ORA's domestic food inspections declined significantly in the years following the enactment of FSMA and before the pandemic shutdown in March 2020. Unlike other programs, FDA co-regulates food safety with State and local programs. These programs have found funding capped in recent years, and the agency at times reducing its commitment to States. ORA also significantly reduced FDA-funded state inspections, which can be conducted at a lower cost. Meanwhile, ORA is seeking to count these state inspections that are conducted without Federal funding towards its FSMA mandates. It has become evident that ORA is taking a dismissive approach to the inspection mandates under FSMA, viewing them as the maximum number of domestic inspections and has used the mandates as an excuse to reduce inspection work by the States. An FDA inspection task force issued a report last year recommending that Congress consider repealing the FSMA inspection mandates. In the absence of a transparent approach to assessing facility risk and clear identification of how ``risk- based'' inspections would occur, this would be a significant step backward. The questions this subcommittee needs to be asking about ORA are: How does ORA allocate food program funding? and Is ORA making the best use of these resources? The success of FSMA, and the FDA food program overall, requires a full-time, empowered, expert leader who can lead culture change and ensure accountability for resource management across ORA, CFSAN, and CVM. We are fortunate to have a person with immense expertise and abilities like Dr. Califf serving as FDA Commissioner. His assertions about investing in technology to leverage oversight activities certainly makes sense. However, investing in technologies, and implementing structural changes for improved governance are not mutually exclusive opportunities. We are not going to be able to algorithm our way out of the existing problems in the FDA food program. We also need structural and governance changes, stronger leadership and a higher priority that puts food at the same level with drugs, devices, biologics, and tobacco at FDA. recommendations Below are recommended actions that the subcommittee can take to address the systemic problems at FDA that exacerbated the infant formula recall situation. --Urge Dr. Califf to unify the food program under a deputy commissioner for foods that would have accountability to the commissioner and direct line authority over CFSAN, CVM, and the food-related operations of ORA. This unified structure and a full-time senior expert leader with relevant and appropriate food credentials would strengthen the program's standing externally. --Seek detailed answers from FDA on how ORA allocates food program funding to determine whether ORA is making the best use of these resources. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I look forward to any questions. Senator Baldwin. Thank you for your testimony. I would like to start by asking Ms. Gallo about how your member companies interact with the FDA? And how you believe those interactions can be improved? And then I want to get more specific about how, during this top-to-bottom review, you would like to see that input take place. Ms. Gallo. Thank you, Senator. Also used to microphones, like the Commissioner. I would say, to start off, it is absolutely critical that industry and FDA have a predictable and functional working relationship. We want and need the regulatory to be--the regulatory system to be successful in order to provide a safe food supply. And certainly our industry's interest is making a more productive agency that serves consumers. And a key component of that is a food program that speaks with one voice. We appreciate when the agency reaches out proactively, but that really does need to become the new norm. And I think you heard many of the FDA officials note stakeholder engagement, and the importance of stakeholder engagement, and we entirely concur with that. We would like to see an agency that is less siloed and less fragmented, industry needs that unified Foods Program to provide a strategic and proactive regulatory agenda, and again improving stakeholder engagement. In addition to rulemaking, there are certainly other ways that the industry can meaningfully engage with FDA, like industry roundtables, or even other discussions that I think could inform FDA's actions in real time. As it relates to the top-to-bottom-down review, certainly we welcomed that announcement from FDA yesterday, and are encouraged that they are aligned in our thinking that there needs to be a holistic evaluation of what is going on there, and how modernization could occur. And like Brian referenced, I think we will be watching very closely the scope of that. There were aspects of the food program that were not specifically named, CVM being one of them, is what is on the radar to look at from that top to bottom, so we will be watching that, and look forward to informing or sharing that information however we can. Senator Baldwin. I would ask pretty much the same question to Mr. Ronholm. You said in your testimony how important it would be for this review to be truly independent, certainly add in accountability and transparency. How would you characterize an adequate amount of input, and how would you like to see that take place? And if you want to amplify anything about your concern about the foundation maintaining its independence, please do. Mr. Ronholm. Sure. Thank you for the question, Madam Chair. Absolutely, I mean, I think in terms of how this process plays out, it is absolutely critical to have that internal engagement at the agency to ensure that all aspects of the food program are being considered as part of this discussion. So that entails, obviously, ORA, you have CFSAN, CVM as Sarah mentioned and, you know, he Office of Food Policy and Response, which is Frank Yiannas' shop. I think incorporating those key officials in all of those offices as part of those internal engagement, as part of that process, I think ensures transparency, it ensures the independence, it ensures that all aspects of this issue get considered and discussed. From the external standpoint, you know, certainly as Dr. Califf alluded to, there is a lot of noise, a lot of groups involved in this issue, from a wide variety of consumer groups, industry trade associations, estate and local regulators, we all want FDA to succeed, we all want the food program to succeed, and we all have a key seat at the table. So to be able to incorporate those critical external stakeholders as part of that discussion I think really enhances the recommendations that come out of it. Senator Baldwin. Very good. Senator Hoeven. Senator Hoeven. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to thank both witnesses for being here, and note that you both included in your comments, recommendations that the deputy commissioner for foods be restored in terms of the management at FDA. And I guess what I would like to get your thoughts on from both of you, is the need for additional hiring authorities that FDA has requested in their budget submission. And so if you could each kind of address that, I would appreciate it. Ms. Gallo. I would be happy to start, Senator, thank you. I would say we certainly agree that there is a need to fill vacancies with qualified people more quickly, and I think the examples that were given around the inspection force are certainly--are certainly ringing true for our members as well. So we would support efforts to permit FDA to do that. I would also just mention while you are asking, because this generally gets to some budget questions, and both Brian and I have referenced that. In order for us to feel more comfortable going in and advocating, we do think that there needs to be more transparency around the way that FDA has used the funds that you all have appropriated to the agency. I think that level of transparency will give us a lot of confidence in looking at priorities, and seeing how they want to move forward. But as far as FDA's ability, and helping them with the ability to get more qualified individuals out into the field, that is something that we would support. Senator Hoeven. Thank you. Mr. Ronholm. Yeah. I don't think I can add much to that. We certainly support looking at, you know, flexible hiring authorities. I know Dr. Mayne had mentioned, and Dr. Califf as well, that they have trouble with, you know, maintaining qualified expert staff on board, so certainly looking at giving them more flexibility to hire these experts. You know, especially inspectors from the ORA standpoint, I think certainly would be helpful in consumer protection and outbreak response. And to Sarah's point, when you link that with additional transparency I think it makes for a better system for sure. Senator Hoeven. Okay. Thank you very much. No further questions, Madam Chair. Senator Baldwin. All right. I can wrap up with an additional question. Both of you pointed to the need for a deputy commissioner. I would like to hear a little bit more amplification and detail on how you believe a Deputy Commissioner for Foods would improve food safety overall, but also improve accountability. So start with Ms. Gallo. Ms. Gallo. Thank you, Senator. So I am glad you asked, because I think one thing that we haven't said today, and it seems rather obvious, but I think it is a good point, is that not having a single entity overseeing all of those makes it really hard to connect the dots at what is happening at FDA. You know, at this time we are certainly, as was in our testimony, calling on FDA to appoint that deputy commissioner, one, because they have the authority to do so right now. So that is not something that we have to wait on a very laborious process to do. So having the ability to do that, and get the modernization, or just that general transparency, and better collaboration started is something that we are strongly encouraging the agency to think about. We certainly know that having a single person that can look and make sure that the subject matter experts are in line with the inspection force in connecting those dots, I think just really helps the agency speak with one voice. It helps them externally present that unified agenda that makes businesses able to operate more efficiently and to better meet the needs of consumers. And I think it helps with consumer communication and consumer expectation, if consumers can see that there is a person overseeing all aspects of a food program, I think that inherently gives a lot of confidence in the ability to know what is in the food supply, feel safe about the food supply, and also that we can bring innovative products to markets to meet the consumer demand. Mr. Ronholm. And I would just add to that, that a big piece of this in having an empowered deputy commissioner position, is it would bring that focused leadership and accountability that the food program desperately needs. As you all know the FDA commissioners throughout the past few decades have specialized in--are medical professionals, and so naturally their focus is on pharmaceutical products, medical products, and certainly that has a big impact on public health, and the pandemic is a good example of that, of that needed focus. But inevitably what ends up happening, is there is this intense competition for the time of the commissioner as it relates to food. And so what ends up happening is that food gets pushed to the back burner, a lot of the times and obtains that kind of second-class status. So when you have that kind of fragmented structure like you saw today, in that there are various people that report directly to the Commissioner. Mr. Yiannas reporting directly to the Commissioner, Dr. Mayne, Mr. Rogers, they all report directly to the Commissioner, and they all have some say in food programs. So when you kind of have those fragmented voices all having--you know, they are not strategically aligned with an agenda, and that is how you end up with a situation where it is fragmented that impacts response, outbreaks, you know, it impacts policy development as well. Senator Baldwin. I want to thank both of you for being here today, and a very good complement to the first panel, so I appreciate that. And I look forward to working with you in the future as we tackle these complex issues. ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE QUESTIONS For the benefit of subcommittee members, questions for the record are due within one week. And for all of our witnesses, panel one and panel two, we would appreciate responses to questions for the record within four weeks. Questions Submitted to Dr. Robert Califf Questions Submitted by Senator Dianne Feinstein Question. Many recent reports have highlighted the slow pace at the FDA's food division, and many stakeholders indicate that they are not included in key discussions. For example, the FDA has been working to develop a durable ``Standard of Identity'' for yogurt since 1981. That's more than 40 years, just to define yogurt. The most recent iteration of this rule was paused to evaluate a 0.1 percent shift in the acid content and to ensure that a common ingredient in high-protein yogurts did not invalidate a product. These are small changes that could have been included from the beginning if more stakeholders were involved in the process. Farmers and food producers are trying to innovate with new products and formulations to respond to new technology and ever-evolving consumer demand. Commissioner Califf, what steps are you taking to provide direction to the food division at FDA, and how will you work to increase the speed of the regulatory process? Answer. The foods that Americans consume have never been safer, in part because of the great work of our employees. Over the past decade, our Foods Program has achieved a great deal, including the adoption of Whole Genome Sequencing of pathogens, enabling faster outbreak identification and response; the implementation of the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA), publishing over fifty FSMA-related guidances; the launch of our New Era of Smarter Food Safety initiative, which builds on the work of FSMA while taking a modernized approach to food safety that leverages technology and other tools; and making significant progress on the nutritional quality of the foods we eat, including empowering consumers through major changes to product and menu labeling, and the reduction of trans fats and sodium-each of which are estimated to save thousands of lives. That said, we can always find ways to do our jobs better, including how we can make our regulatory process more efficient. In February, I rejoined FDA as Commissioner of Food and Drugs, having served in the role 5 years earlier. During my confirmation I heard many concerns about the status of the Foods Program. Since my return, the Agency has continued to take many significant actions that benefit the public health. Yet at the same time, FDA has confronted a series of challenges that have tested our regulatory frameworks and stressed the Agency's operations, prompting me to take a closer look at how we do business. As part of this effort, I commissioned an external review of the Human Foods Program to assess fundamental questions, including structure, function, funding, authorities, and leadership. This review was led by Dr. Jane Henney, who served as Commissioner from 1999-2001, along with an independent panel of experts, through the Reagan-Udall Foundation, an independent partner organization for the Agency. I will make final decisions regarding the future of the Human Foods Program after reviewing the report and consulting with stakeholders both externally and internally. Question. I am concerned about the significant reduction in food safety inspections by FDA and the impact on Americans. I recognize that the coronavirus pandemic has dramatically impacted your agency, but this trend was occurring even before the pandemic began. From 2011 to 2019, the FDA received an average budgetary increase of 3.2 percent for its Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. Yet, FDA food inspections decreased by an annual average of 2.5 percent over the same period. Where are these funding increases going, if not to field inspections? What steps are you taking to ensure that the funds provided by this Committee are put to good use protecting American consumers, including through more inspections? Answer. It should first be noted that facility inspections are just one of many tools that FDA uses to keep food safe, and that the foods consumed by Americans are safer now than they have ever been. The Office of Regulatory Affairs (ORA) is the lead office for all of FDA's field activities including food inspections; ORA has its own appropriation which supports food inspections. FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition's (CFSAN) budget supports the development of regulations, guidance and standards related to the composition, quality, nutrition, and safety of food as well as several other core activities including premarket notification and review, surveillance, response, compliance and enforcement, and regulatory science. Both ORA and CFSAN, in conjunction with FDA's field staff, continue to work on successfully carrying out its mission to address food safety hazards and prevent food risks from farm to table, despite the everchanging complexities of the inspection processes that require new resources, regulatory tools and workforce needs to help continue to address current and emerging challenges. The decline in the number of food facility inspections from 2011 to 2019 can be attributed to several factors, including vacancies and hiring challenges, competing priorities of foreign facility inspections and outbreak investigations, as well as external challenges such as lapses in appropriations or responding to natural disasters. Hiring and retention challenges, in particular, have had a significant impact on FDA's ability to carry out these responsibilities. ORA must compete with other potential employers, and the Agency's Foods Program also does not have some of the hiring authorities that FDA has in its medical product offices. Beginning in fiscal Year 2019, ORA had Direct Hire Authority for investigators, which significantly increased the ability to hire investigative staff in the human and animal food programs, but this authority expired at the end of fiscal Year 2021. FDA has taken a number of steps to address inspections challenges, particularly in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. For example, the Agency now has greater remote oversight capabilities that give us insight into human and animal food importers, such as the Foreign Supplier Verification Program (FSVP). FDA conducted 1,672 FSVP inspections during fiscal Year 2021 and nearly twice that number in fiscal Year 2022. We also began conducting voluntary Remote Regulatory Assessments (RRA) in fiscal Year 2021, which entails asking foreign food facilities to provide certain records and information about their operations. Among other benefits, the RRA program has helped direct our oversight resources to higher risk areas. FDA is also making greater use of regulatory partnerships that will strengthen food safety in all global environments. Since October 2022, FDA has been returning to a normal of cadence of human and animal food inspections, but these and other novel tools developed during the pandemic will continue to complement our cumulative oversight approach to ensuring the safety of the Nation's food supply. Question. On May 19, 2022, FDA issued a request for information about the dietary exposure and safety data for nine phthalates still authorized to be used in products that come in contact with food, such as food packaging. In the announcement, FDA acknowledged the original safety assessments of these specific phthalates and the agency's decision to allow their continued use in food contact products were based on data provided more than 37 years ago during the 1961-1985 period. Recent and more relevant research has drawn clear association between exposure to currently authorized phthalates and serious adverse health effects, including cancer recurrence and poor survival in breast cancer patients, insulin resistance and diabetes, developmental delays in boys, and increased risk of preterm birth. What is FDA's timeline for its review process and evaluation of the safety information submitted in response to the agency's May 2022 request? Answer. FDA is committed to a complete, science-based review of the data and scientific information that we received from our May 2022 request for information (RFI). The RFI explained that, while we are generally aware of updated toxicological and use information on phthalates that is publicly available, we recognize that stakeholders may have access to information that is not always made public. We are interested in this information to support our review of the current use levels, as well as safe use of these phthalates in food contact applications. Furthermore, in response to stakeholder requests, on September 26, 2022, FDA announced \1\ the reopening of the RFI comment period to provide stakeholders with additional time to submit data and information on this topic. The notice of the reopening was published in the Federal Register on September 27, 2022, and the new deadline for comments is December 27, 2022 (87 FR 58502). As of October 28, 2022, the docket contains nearly 24,000 comments. We have started our review of these comments; however, we do not have a timeline we can share for when our review will be complete. This issue remains a priority for FDA, and we will continue to work expeditiously to review all data and information submitted to help inform our review. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-constituent-updates/fda-limits- use-certain-phthalates-food-packaging-and-issues-request-information- about-current-food --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question. By what date will the agency publicly issue its evaluation of the safety information it received and a determination of whether it will revoke authorizations for the nine phthalates currently authorized by FDA to be used in products that come in contact with food? Answer. As noted above, in response to stakeholder requests, on September 26, 2022, FDA announced \2\ the reopening of the RFI comment period to provide stakeholders with additional time to submit data and information on this topic. The notice of the reopening was published in the Federal Register on September 27, 2022, and the new deadline for comments is December 27, 2022 (87 FR 58502). As of October 28, 2022, the docket contains nearly 24,000 comments. We have started our review of these comments; however, we do not have a timeline we can share for when our review will be complete. We will continue to work expeditiously to review all data and information submitted to help inform our review, and we look forward to discussing our findings with you once our evaluation is completed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \2\ https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-constituent-updates/fda-limits- use-certain-phthalates-food-packaging-and-issues-request-information- about-current-food --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question. Exposure to phthalates can come from multiple sources simultaneously, and numerous studies demonstrate that the migration of phthalates into food can depend on a number of factors, including the type of materials used and the fat composition of the food. What is FDA's protocol to account for these factors when it investigates and tests products available on the U.S. market for the presence of phthalates and analyzes consumer exposures to phthalates? Answer. FDA's RFI requests updated information on dietary exposure from the current food contact uses of phthalates. When assessing safety, FDA considers the available data of total dietary exposure to that substance, which includes data from all authorized food contact uses. Prior to the authorization of a food contact substance, FDA requires information on the amount of a substance that will migrate to food as a result of its intended use. This can either take the form of assuming 100 percent of the substance will migrate to food, migration modeling, or analytical studies that determine the amount of the substance that will migrate to food as a result of its use in food contact articles. FDA's safety assessments account for multiple factors, including the differences in physicochemical properties of the substance and the material the substance will be used in, as well as factors related to the intended use of the finished food contact article such as temperature and the types of food (e.g., aqueous foods, fatty foods, etc.). FDA then calculates exposure by combining this migration information with market information on how different types of finished food contact articles are used. Using this approach, FDA ensures that exposure estimates, combined with safety data, are conservative and protective of human health. Information about specific testing protocols for assessing migration of a substance to food and methods for calculating dietary exposure are provided in our Guidance for Industry: Chemistry \3\ document. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \3\ https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance- documents/guidance-industry-preparation-premarket-submissions-food- contact-substances-chemistry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In addition, as part of its post-market monitoring, FDA can supplement information from pre- authorization assessments with information on the actual concentration of a substance in the diet as determined by dietary surveys, market information on actual use, or detected levels in finished food contact articles. FDA has and will continue to analyze for the presence of phthalates in numerous samples of the types of food contact articles in which phthalates have historically been utilized. Question. What best practices, guidance and/or good manufacturing practices are available to manufacturers of products that are required to or would like to test for the presence of phthalates? Answer. As discussed above, FDA has issued guidance on analytical procedures to determine the extent of migration of a substance from food contact articles into food. In addition, FDA has analyzed numerous samples of food contact articles in which phthalates have previously been utilized; historically, phthalates have been added to ridged plastics, specifically poly(vinyl chloride) (PVC), to increase the plastic's flexibility. Over the last few years, FDA has conducted multiple sampling surveys of PVC and non-PVC finished food contact articles including single-use food packaging (e.g., beverage bottle gaskets), repeat-use articles (e.g., gaskets, tubing and conveyer belts for food processing equipment) and fast-food packaging on the U.S. market. Data from these studies were published in 2018, 2021, and 2022, and suggest that manufacturers have been replacing phthalates as their primary plasticizer with alternative compounds. Recent evidence suggests that at this time, the use of phthalates in food contact applications is limited and consumer exposures to phthalates from food contact uses is decreasing. These studies also report validated testing methodologies for the presence of phthalates in various food packaging materials. In addition to the surveys mentioned above, we also evaluated the effectiveness of portable devices that both industry and FDA could use to identify plasticizers, including phthalates, in PVC tubing and bottle caps as part of our continued efforts to identify current use of phthalates in food packaging and food processing materials. Question. A recent NIH study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that pregnant women who were exposed to multiple phthalates during pregnancy had an increased risk of preterm birth. NIH researchers also noted that participants with higher concentrations of phthalates were associated with higher odds of preterm births. In a separate recent study published in Environmental Science & Technology, researchers found that Latina pregnant women had higher levels of phthalates than women of other race/ethnicities. Previous studies have also found that Black women are disproportionately exposed to phthalates in consumer products. How is FDA incorporating in its decision-making framework the impact phthalate exposure has on maternal and infant health as well as the disproportionate exposure of products containing phthalates to members of communities of color as well as its continued review of the latest available data? Answer. FDA's RFI requests updated information on dietary exposure from the current food contact uses of phthalates. In addition, FDA may estimate exposure to phthalates using food survey data which provides information on the actual concentration of the substance in sampled foods representative of the diet, along with the percentage of the total diet each sampled food represents for the general population as well as specific subpopulations such as infants, toddlers, children, and women of child-bearing age. In this manner, FDA can account for the specific dietary exposure of various subpopulations that may be sensitive to or relevant for toxicological effects associated with dietary exposure to a substance. FDA may calculate both the mean and 90th percentile exposures for these various subpopulations, which allows FDA to account for demographics within these subpopulations that may have disproportionate exposure to the substance. FDA has also published guidance \4\ on this approach for calculating dietary exposure to substances from food survey data. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \4\ https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance- documents/guidance-industry-estimating-dietary-intake-substances-food --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FDA's RFI also requests updated safety information on phthalates currently used in food contact applications. As part of any safety assessment, FDA considers all available information to determine whether a substance is safe under its intended conditions of use, including any available studies relevant to maternal and infant health as applicable. The resulting safety assessment for a food contact substance incorporates both the information from the toxicology studies and applicable safety factors to assess whether there is a reasonable certainty of no harm for consumers. Additionally, FDA published specific guidance \5\ pertaining to the safety assessment for the use of a substance in contact with infant formula and/or human milk. This guidance addresses topics specifically relevant to infant health, including the potential for elevated exposures on a body weight basis and the need to consider that first 6 months of life are an important developmental period resulting in additional parameters to be considered when assessing the safety of components of food contact articles in contact with infant food. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \5\ https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance- documents/guidance-industry-preparation-food-contact-notifications- food-contact-substances-contact-infant --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question. On May 19, 2022, FDA issued denials to food additive and citizen petitions requesting agency action on phthalates in food contact products. On what date will FDA hold a public hearing on the agency's May 2022 decision to deny the petitions to ban food-contact uses of phthalates, as required by the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act? Answer. FDA is currently evaluating the request for a public hearing, and we plan to respond to the request as expeditiously as possible. Issues that FDA must consider in determining whether to hold a hearing include whether any objections raise genuine and substantial issues of fact that can be resolved at a hearing (Community Nutrition Inst. v. Young, 773 F.2d 1356, 1364 (D.C. Cir. 1985); 21 CFR 12.24). SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS Senator Baldwin. And with that this hearing is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 11:46 a.m., Wednesday, July 20, the subcommittee was recessed to reconvene subject to the call of the Chair.] [all]